BCS Bull: PAC10/BIG10 Unfairness

[rockydoc]

Look out LSU and Oklahoma you are about to get screwed in the BCS Championship. Oregon has an easy schedule from here on out and will crush their remainding foes (Arizona, UCLA and Oregon State). They have quietly become the media darlings, and they do have a good team. Meanwhile LSU (and likely OU) wins out but has to play in the conference championship game possibly losing or struggling unimpressively to finish 12-1 resulting in Oregon winding up #2 in the BCS poll behind Ohio State (another team not playing in a conference championship game).

My point is this; there should be extra points to playing in the conference championship in the BCS poll so that no team with a identical loss record, say Oregon at 11-1, should be picked over an LSU or Oklahoma at 12-1.

 

[BigPapaVol]

LSU takes care of business and they'll play in the NC game. OSU is pathetic and likely to lose to UM. Oregon will likely win out and be there, but I like the pollsters to move OU ahead of them in the end.

How are any of them justifying keeping KU out of the hunt, given they're from a BCS conference and posted 76 on Neb yesterday?

 

[PowerT83]

Oregon will jump some people if ASU, USC & Michigan win out & SEC teams keep keep losing to each other. OKie State puts the Jayhawks out this week.

I like Oregon better than OU anyway

 

[myrobbins7]

LSU takes care of business and they'll play in the NC game. OSU is pathetic and likely to lose to UM. Oregon will likely win out and be there, but I like the pollsters to move OU ahead of them in the end.

How are any of them justifying keeping KU out of the hunt, given they're from a BCS conference and posted 76 on Neb yesterday?

My god, the way KU played yesterday i dont see how they could keep them out. It is the BCS so who knows..Im going to say it will be Oregon and LSU myself..

 

[VolInsider]

How are any of them justifying keeping KU out of the hunt, given they're from a BCS conference and posted 76 on Neb yesterday?

I wouldn't worry about Kansas. Even if OK State doesn't beat them this week, they will have to play Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship Game.

The interesting thing will be if the Jayhawks beat OU for the Big 12 Championship game. Then chaos will reign...

Oregon vs. Kansas for the National Championship:crazy:

 

[hvwarrior58]

Let's not jump the gun. All 4 of those teams could easily be beaten. None of them are flawless.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Let's not jump the gun. All 4 of those teams could easily be beaten. None of them are flawless.

if we're jumping the gun, then any single debate on the national champy game should be banned.

 

[cotton]

Oregon has done just as much to be in that #2 spot as anybody else. Their one loss is to a pretty good opponent on a weird, last second fumble, and they have quality wins against USC, ASU, and Michigan.

All LSU and OU had to do was take care of business against Kentucky and a .500 Colorado team and we wouldn't be having this discussion, but they didn't; they put themselves at the mercy of the voters. Oregon's loss is just as good or better, and so are their wins.

BC is probably out, and I'm not sure they can run through Maryland, Clemson, Miami, and then the ACCCG without another loss anyway, but other than that I'm not sure how you separate the teams from power conferences with 1 loss. If they all make it with only one blemish, LSU, Oregon, and whoever wins the big 12 are all going to have pretty good cases. Picking any of those three over the other 2 really isn't unfair.

 

[cotton]

How are any of them justifying keeping KU out of the hunt, given they're from a BCS conference and posted 76 on Neb yesterday?

I wouldn't. If they beat Mizzou and Oklahoma to win the Big 12 and finish undefeated, I'd have them in the game. If Missouri wins out, I think they have to enter the discussion as well, right in the mix with the other 1 loss-ers.

 

[kidbourbon]

The thing that cracks me up is that TOSU has essentially already earned their BCS bid. They are playing in the championship, but we just don't know who they are going to end up playing against (LSU, OU, Oregon). All of the above three teams will beat TOSU. LSU and OU will just plain destroy TOSU. I just can't wait till vegas puts the line up....I'm going to grab it immediately before it moves 2 points.

The conference with 11 teams is WEAK this year. I mean really really weak.

 

[PowerT83]

Michigan will kick their arses back to Columbus and the fans in Ann Arbor will be begging Carr to stay.


Don't count out West Virginia just yet either ;this is after all the craziest college football season ever

 

[tvolsfan]

I think OSU will finish unbeaten. Oregon is deserving of the title game if they win out...

 

[tvolsfan]

The thing that cracks me up is that TOSU has essentially already earned their BCS bid. They are playing in the championship, but we just don't know who they are going to end up playing against (LSU, OU, Oregon). All of the above three teams will beat TOSU. LSU and OU will just plain destroy TOSU. I just can't wait till vegas puts the line up....I'm going to grab it immediately before it moves 2 points.

The conference with 11 teams is WEAK this year. I mean really really weak.

I certainly agree with the last part. The Big 10 is absolutely awful...

But I wouldn't be surprised to see OSU beat LSU. Jim Tressel is vastly superior to Miles, and OSU won't be unprepared like last year. I'm not sure LSU will even win out. I think the team with the best chance to beat OSU is Oklahoma.

 

[hvwarrior58]

I wouldn't be surprised if Illinois or Michigan beats OSU. The fighting Zookers aren't horrible by any means this year. They have lost 3, but those were to Mizzou by 6, Iowa by 4, and Michigan by 10(tie game going into the 4th). Benn is an absolute load at WR(he will be AA by the time he is gone), Mendenhall is extremely underrated, and Williams is a very capable QB. Their defense is pretty good too.

Michigan, on the other hand, has completely turned their season around after the first 2 games and Carr may be able to escape being fired with a win in this game.

 

[tvolsfan]

I agree that Carr has to beat OSU, but people get the impression that because OSU got drilled by Florida that they are just an overrated fraud. This is certainly not the case, and Tressel is a top 5 if not top 3 coach in the country.

 

[Vols4ever]

I think it will be oregon for NC... OSU / LSU will depend on SEC CG and OSU Vs. Michigan game i guess...

 

[VolinArizona]

4 weeks in an eternity this season.

 

[hmanvolfan]

4 weeks in an eternity this season.

You're right, a lot could change by the end of the season. However, if LSU, Oklahoma, Oregon, Kansas, BC all win out and OSU loses to Michigan, then I don't see how we couldn't revisit the "playoff " thread that got so heated last week.

 

[kidbourbon]

I agree that Carr has to beat OSU, but people get the impression that because OSU got drilled by Florida that they are just an overrated fraud. This is certainly not the case, and Tressel is a top 5 if not top 3 coach in the country.

I wouldn't question Tressel's competence. He is a great coach, no doubt about it. And I wouldn't go as far as saying that OSU is an overrated fraud. They are a solid team. I think -- if anything -- last year's game against FL demonstrated a talent disparity between a top SEC team and a top team from the conference with 11 teams. That talent disparity still exists. I don't think TOSU has the horses to stay with either LSU or OU.

I further agree that Tressel is a superior coach to Miles. Wouldn't matter. LSU still wins by 2 touchdowns. Same goes for OU, imho.

 

[tvolsfan]

I wouldn't question Tressel's competence. He is a great coach, no doubt about it. And I wouldn't go as far as saying that OSU is an overrated fraud. They are a solid team. I think -- if anything -- last year's game against FL demonstrated a talent disparity between a top SEC team and a top team from the conference with 11 teams. That talent disparity still exists. I don't think TOSU has the horses to stay with either LSU or OU.

I further agree that Tressel is a superior coach to Miles. Wouldn't matter. LSU still wins by 2 touchdowns. Same goes for OU, imho.

I attribute the NC manslaughter last year to overconfidence and Meyer out coaching Tressel. I think if LSU made it, they would either crush OSU in what is essentially a home game, or lose badly. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see OSU win easily.

 

[droski]

a) oregon will not jump a one loss LSU team

b) your presidents took the $$$$ and created the conference championship game. they didn't have to. the pac-10 plays every other team in the confernce.

c) oregon would beat oklahoma and the big-12 stinks.

 

[rockydoc]

I think it will be oregon for NC... OSU / LSU will depend on SEC CG and OSU Vs. Michigan game i guess...

You may be correct. LSU will almost certainly will play in the SEC championship game. If they play thrice beaten Tennessee or Florida they won't get any BCS points and besides you don't get points for playing the same team(Florida) twice in the same season. They better hope Georgia wins out and Tennessee loses another game.

 

[falseintellect]

if lsu wins out it will likely be ohio state and lsu in the NC.

and oregon will likely get to blow out michigan again the rose bowl?

 

[justingroves]

I attribute the NC manslaughter last year to overconfidence and Meyer out coaching Tressel. I think if LSU made it, they would either crush OSU in what is essentially a home game, or lose badly. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see OSU win easily.

I believe an OSU - LSU title game would be an insult to the forward pass. That would be the ugliest offensive game seen in quite awhile.

 

[milohimself]

I see Oregon-Ohio State in the Rose Bowl. Let's not forget that the sweater vest owns Carr. I still believe, even though Michigan has turned it around, that Ohio State's talent is marginally better.

As far as LSU, I think they can still lose again in the SECCG. Les Miles is a horrible coach who is still riding an incredible wave of talent. It's almost scary to think how good LSU would be if $aban didn't leave for the Phins.