BCS Playoff Idea..

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#26
You also must be in a conference unlike Notre Dame. I think the conference champs would be fair and fun to watch. I think the NCAA should take over the football championship. D-1 football is the only college sport that you do not win a NCAA championship
 
#27
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Jonesey said:
gotta have a 16 team playoff if you are going to have a playoff. All 12 conference champs and top 5 at large teams, seed them according to BCS ranking.
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Math isn't your forte' I see

16 teams is waaay too much.
 
#28
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TennesseePride said:
All of them should.. It's insane not too
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I disagree. Having conference champs creates opportunities for the weaker, undeserving division. Imagine what a joke it would be if Missouri got in this year. They have no business playing near the title.

But with no conference champs, they should only have one winner, unless head to head is not usable. (as in if there is a tie, the winner of the head to head game gets the title, and the other team can't claim it like OSU has done the last few years Penn State was good.)
 
#30
#30
Here's my attempt at conference reallignment:

Pac-12
Northern Division
Washington
WSU
Oregon St
Oregon
Boise State
Cal

Southern Division
Stanford
UCLA
Arizona
ASU
USC
Hawaii

Mtn. West
Eastern Division
BYU
Idaho
Air Force
Wyoming
Utah State
CSU

Western Division
UNLV
UTAH
SDSU
San Jose State
Nevada
Fresno State

Sun Belt
Sun division
Arkansas State
Tulane
La tech
SMU
New Mex st
Houston

Belt Division
UTEP
Tulsa
North Texas
TCU
New Mex
Rice

Conf USA
Conference division
WKU
MTSU
UAB
LA-Monroe
UCF
FAU

USA division
Memphis
BGU
Troy
La- Lafayette
Southern Miss
FIU

Big East
Eastern Division
East Carolina
Army
Navy
Syracuse
Conn
Rutgers

Western division
Louisville
Cincinnati
USF
Pittsburgh
WV
Marshall

Big Ten
Eastern division
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan St.
Indiana
Purdue

Western division
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Iowa
Minnesota
Illinois
Wisconsin

Unchanged:

SEC

MAC

Big 12

ACC

As far as a playoff goes, you could have a 12 team tourney with 2 at- large births and 1st round byes for the top 4 seeds, or a 16 team tourney with 6 at large births.

BCS could be used to seed conference champs and at large births.
 
#31
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lol "Sun division", "Belt division" Good luck trying to get Notre Dame into the Big 10, but for Boise St.'s purposes, the idea of joining the Pac 10 is pretty interesting, but I doubt all Pac 10 teams would get on board with having to travel out to Hawaii every other year.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
lol "Sun division", "Belt division" Good luck trying to get Notre Dame into the Big 10, but for Boise St.'s purposes, the idea of joining the Pac 10 is pretty interesting, but I doubt all Pac 10 teams would get on board with having to travel out to Hawaii every other year.
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Yes, I realize it is unrealistic, but it was an interesting exercise. Notice how both the 'Sun' and the 'Belt' division have teams from the Dallas and Houston metro areas as well as another metro area (Tulsa/New Orleans). I tried to pair the CUSA in a similar manner.

I'd love to at least see the Big 10 and Pac 10 add another team (or two) and a championship game.
 
#34
#34
I'm not sure why everyone wants to let in so many teams. 8th place doesn't deserve a shot at the championship. Usually there aren't more than 4, and even that is probably unusual, although this year could turn out ugly. It is ridiculous to say things like the Sun Belt should get a spot in a 16 team disaster tournament. And please, no one make the comparision to basketball, because a tournament working for one sport doesn't actually mean it will work for another.
 
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#35
Here's the real rub.

If you think there's controversy over a 3rd- or possibly 4th-place team "not getting a chance", how on earth would that be rectified? Now the top 4 are happy, but there's 4 or 5 more schools with the same (or better) record who think they deserve to be in that top 4. Open it up to 8 schools, and now you have 8 more that think they should be in. Open it up to 16, and you've got 20 more all saying "They're 8-4 and get in, but we're 10-2 in the MAC and we're not!"
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Here's the real rub.

If you think there's controversy over a 3rd- or possibly 4th-place team "not getting a chance", how on earth would that be rectified? Now the top 4 are happy, but there's 4 or 5 more schools with the same (or better) record who think they deserve to be in that top 4. Open it up to 8 schools, and now you have 8 more that think they should be in. Open it up to 16, and you've got 20 more all saying "They're 8-4 and get in, but we're 10-2 in the MAC and we're not!"
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exactamundo.

+1 and be done with it imho. Football doesn't need a long drawn out tournament.
 
#37
#37
Aren't their 12 conferences and a few indie schools?
Why not keep it simple and have playoof with the conf champs?
Use the bcs standings to help put them in a bracket.
Only downside is it'll take 4 weeks to play it out IF you only played once a week.Who's to say we couldn't fit it into 3.
 
#38
#38
There's 11 conferences, not 12.

Also, here's the problem with having just conference champions. Let's say that Missouri beats Oklahoma later....Missouri is in, Oklahoma out. Should Oklahoma really be left out of a playoff entirely because they didn't win a single arbitrary game that half the conferences don't even have?
 
#39
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Ohio Vol said:
There's 11 conferences, not 12.

Also, here's the problem with having just conference champions. Let's say that Missouri beats Oklahoma later....Missouri is in, Oklahoma out. Should Oklahoma really be left out of a playoff entirely because they didn't win a single arbitrary game that half the conferences don't even have?
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if they were going to have auto bids for a playoff, each conference would need to have a championship game in order to recieve that auto-bid in my opinion. Given that condition, then yes, Oklahoma would absolutely deserve to be left out for not winning their conference.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
if they were going to have auto bids for a playoff, each conference would need to have a championship game in order to recieve that auto-bid in my opinion. Given that condition, then yes, Oklahoma would absolutely deserve to be left out for not winning their conference.
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Or just not have conference championships at all, because Missouri deserves nothing, and it is unfair to give them the chance over Texas and even Texas Tech.

Also, the Sun Belt winner shouldn't get any shot at playing for the national title.
 
#42
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tvolsfan said:
Or just not have conference championships at all, because Missouri deserves nothing, and it is unfair to give them the chance over Texas and even Texas Tech.

Also, the Sun Belt winner shouldn't get any shot at playing for the national title.
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They'd have to have that chance though. For all the talk about how much a football playoff would be like the basketball tournament (part of which is fueled by small conference champions going on a tear), would the NCAA really want to risk not only the segregation of small conferences and also a lawsuit from said conferences?
 
#43
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Ohio Vol said:
They'd have to have that chance though. For all the talk about how much a football playoff would be like the basketball tournament (part of which is fueled by small conference champions going on a tear), would the NCAA really want to risk not only the segregation of small conferences and also a lawsuit from said conferences?
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How could they complain? Right now, mid majors get no bids, and the major 6 conferences do get bids. A new situation (one that doesn't involve 16 teams) would involve no auto bids for anybody. Doesn't seem like it is hurting anyone.
 
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tvolsfan said:
How could they complain? Right now, mid majors get no bids, and the major 6 conferences do get bids. The new situation would involve no auto bids for anybody. Doesn't seem like it is hurting anyone.
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The 6 major conferences get bowl tie-in bids that simply happen to be major bowls. The BCS itself is essentially a loose confederation of the individual bowls.

If you're talking about having a playoff system, it would have to be all conference champions or none; the problem with none is that there would still be the squawking if a repeat of 2003 happened ("Oklahoma didn't even win their conference! Why should they play for a title?")
 
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Ohio Vol said:
The 6 major conferences get bowl tie-in bids that simply happen to be major bowls. The BCS itself is essentially a loose confederation of the individual bowls.

If you're talking about having a playoff system, it would have to be all conference champions or none; the problem with none is that there would still be the squawking if a repeat of 2003 happened ("Oklahoma didn't even win their conference! Why should they play for a title?")
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It should be none. And I'd rather have the situation you described than like in 2004 when you would be taking 4 loss Pittsburgh over one loss Texas for the playoff.
 
#46
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tvolsfan said:
The 8th place team deserves no shot at the championship.

I'd say top 4 with no auto bids or just have a plus one.
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That point of view is not always valid. Some seasons it makes sense. This year, not even close. The teams that are hovering around the # 8 mark are 1 loss Penn State, 1 loss TTech and undefeated Utah. USC, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, etc all have 1 loss. To say that PSU, TTU and Utah don't "deserve" at least a shot is simply wrong.
 
#47
#47
Keep it the way it is. It has accomplished it's goals perfectly.
 
#49
#49
I personally don't like conference title games. I know it would never happen, but given the current system, I'd rather see the BCS rankings determine the TITLE GAME matchup prior to the conference title games. So basically Bama would be playing Oklahoma. If Florida beats Bama, great. They are SEC Champs and get to go to a duifferent BCS game. Same w/ Mizzou/Oklahoma. A Bama loss to Florida clouds things even more in my mind. If it's a great game and Oklahoma gets pounded, some would say maybe Bama/UF should have a rematch...but that would never happen. But that still leave Bama w/ only 1 loss...in the 13th game...vs a team who many feel is #1. Why would that make them any worse than Texas, USC, etc.

The whole thing is a big mess regardless. Gimme 10 teams. We'd have the 6 conference champs wait 1 week while the 4 next possible at large play eachother for the 7th and 8th spots. Best part...all games would have bowl tie-ins.

SEC...Bama/UF
Pac10...USC
Big12...Oklahoma/Mizzou
Big10...PSU
ACC...??
Big East...Cincinnati
and 4 more

This year it'd be Bama/Florida playing Boise and Texas/Texas Tech playing Utah.

scenario before today's games would be

Florida vs Boise (UF wins)...Peach Bowl
Texas vs Utah (Texas wins)...Alamo Bowl

then reseed and....

(1)Bama vs (8)BC/VTech...Orange Bowl
(2)Oklahoma vs (7) Cincinnati...Cotton Bowl
(3)Florida vs (6)Penn State...Gator Bowl
(4)Texas vs (5)USC...Rose Bowl


I'd pay to see ALL of those games.

Going solely on predictions:

Bama vs USC in the Sugar Bowl
Oklahoma vs Florida in the Fiesta Bowl

Winners play in the BCS Title Game

4 Major bowl locations would rotate annually.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
if they were going to have auto bids for a playoff, each conference would need to have a championship game in order to recieve that auto-bid in my opinion. Given that condition, then yes, Oklahoma would absolutely deserve to be left out for not winning their conference.
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Thats why I think my proposal is unique. Say Missouri does win. It won't mean that they would be in the playoffs. Oklahoma would still be able to get into the the playoffs, but just as an at large team. However, since Missouri would be ranked behind Boston College it would be BC making it into the playoffs based off the format. Your new playoff teams would then be:

1. Florida
2. Texas
3. USC
4. Alabama
5. Utah
6. Oklahoma
7. Penn St.
8. Boston College

Sure Missouri would be upset because they won their conference, but they lost too many games and haven't performed well enough in the regular season to make the playoffs. However, they would recieve an automatic bid to the Fiesta Bowl...
 
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