BCS Scenarios.....

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#26
It speaks volumes to just how screwed up our system is that we are debating whether it would be "shocking" or just "surprising" to see the #1 ranked team beating another in its conference championship.

I mean, if 80% of folks out there think that Florida would be favored on a neutral field against Alabam, who is #1, then why is Alabama #1 to begin with? (I know why, I'm just saying it sucks that we simply don't have a system that ranks teams based on who you really think is best, versus who has dodged the land mines so far).
 
#27
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lawgator1 said:
It speaks volumes to just how screwed up our system is that we are debating whether it would be "shocking" or just "surprising" to see the #1 ranked team beating another in its conference championship.

I mean, if 80% of folks out there think that Florida would be favored on a neutral field against Alabam, who is #1, then why is Alabama #1 to begin with? (I know why, I'm just saying it sucks that we simply don't have a system that ranks teams based on who you really think is best, versus who has dodged the land mines so far).
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but the guy that dodged all the landmines, playing top of the heap competition, should get to play in the championship game, period.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but the guy that dodged all the landmines, playing top of the heap competition, should get to play in the championship game, period.
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Not disagreeing with you on that, at all.

Just my suspicion that outside of Alabama, the vast majority of people do not think that The Tide are really the #1 team in the country. They may or may not be -- but calling them "ranked" #1 when in reality most people don't think they are, is just sort of pointless.

My personal current rankings of the teams in the mix:

Texas
Oklahoma
Florida
USC
Texas Tech
Alabama
 
#29
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lawgator1 said:
Not disagreeing with you on that, at all.

Just my suspicion that outside of Alabama, the vast majority of people do not think that The Tide are really the #1 team in the country. They may or may not be -- but calling them "ranked" #1 when in reality most people don't think they are, is just sort of pointless.

My personal current rankings of the teams in the mix:

Texas
Oklahoma
Florida
USC
Texas Tech
Alabama
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Alabama could handle any of those 3 from the Big 12. UF and USC would murder those 3, IMO.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It speaks volumes to just how screwed up our system is that we are debating whether it would be "shocking" or just "surprising" to see the #1 ranked team beating another in its conference championship.

I mean, if 80% of folks out there think that Florida would be favored on a neutral field against Alabam, who is #1, then why is Alabama #1 to begin with? (I know why, I'm just saying it sucks that we simply don't have a system that ranks teams based on who you really think is best, versus who has dodged the land mines so far).
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Ole Miss wasn't exactly a landmine.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Just my suspicion that outside of Alabama, the vast majority of people do not think that The Tide are really the #1 team in the country. They may or may not be -- but calling them "ranked" #1 when in reality most people don't think they are, is just sort of pointless.
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If we went by what the majority of people think you can kiss that 2006 championship goodbye.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It speaks volumes to just how screwed up our system is that we are debating whether it would be "shocking" or just "surprising" to see the #1 ranked team beating another in its conference championship.

I mean, if 80% of folks out there think that Florida would be favored on a neutral field against Alabam, who is #1, then why is Alabama #1 to begin with? (I know why, I'm just saying it sucks that we simply don't have a system that ranks teams based on who you really think is best, versus who has dodged the land mines so far).
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eh, i sort of see this......though having Texas Tech ranked #2 is a better example. Bama being undefeated out of the SEC is going to be hard to ignore, no matter how 'unimpressive' they've beein while doing it.

texas tech though, did do just that.......avoided land mines.......until Saturday night that is.......

the system works. you win, you move up, you lose, you fall off. head to head still matters and i onlyl know that because TX is ranked ahead of OK this week.

we are in the middle of a playoff right now. though the big 12 scenario is a little off putting in that it will come down to BCS rankings as to who rpresents the South, no one will have a problem with TX or OU going except TX or OU fans...........:)

in the end, if florida is beter than bama, they have the chance to prove it and win a conf. title the right to go play for a national title.
 
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kptvol said:
They should never have had a shot to play for an NC if you listened to popular opinion.
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There were exactly two discreet groups of people that genuinely felt that way: 1) Michigan fans; and 2) fans of the Gators' rival teams.

And even the sane and objective people that fell into the second group knew in their gut that having a Big Ten team in the national title game that did not win its own conference was a problem.

Other than that, I'd be willing to bet that before that game 80 % of real college football fans had no problem with Florida, as the SEC rep with one loss, playing in the game.

Your motivation for saying this is clearly that you just don't like Florida, which is fine. But why not just say you resented the fact that they got into the game because you are a rival fan, as opposed to make it sound like there is some actual objective factual basis for your position (which there isn't)?
 
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lawgator1 said:
There were exactly two discreet groups of people that genuinely felt that way: 1) Michigan fans; and 2) fans of the Gators' rival teams.

And even the sane and objective people that fell into the second group knew in their gut that having a Big Ten team in the national title game that did not win its own conference was a problem.

Other than that, I'd be willing to bet that before that game 80 % of real college football fans had no problem with Florida, as the SEC rep with one loss, playing in the game.

Your motivation for saying this is clearly that you just don't like Florida, which is fine. But why not just say you resented the fact that they got into the game because you are a rival fan, as opposed to make it sound like there is some actual objective factual basis for your position (which there isn't)?
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These comments sound even more stupid when you look back at how hard I argued in favor of Florida getting a chance back in 2006. The stupidity is amplified again when you look at recent posts I've made against a Big 12 rematch.
 
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#38
#38
Hey kpt, something weird on your post there. Seems to only be showing one sentence but I tried to quote and there was a lot more -- you might want to repost it to make sure it all gets in.

But anywhosal -- who was saying that Florida shouldn't have been in the '06 game (aside from Michigan lovers and Florida haters)?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Hey kpt, something weird on your post there. Seems to only be showing one sentence but I tried to quote and there was a lot more -- you might want to repost it to make sure it all gets in.

But anywhosal -- who was saying that Florida shouldn't have been in the '06 game (aside from Michigan lovers and Florida haters)?
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Plenty of posters on this site. Many of them were... anyway, a few of them were pretty objective guys. Herbstreit was all about a rematch, and given the close nature of the first game, and the fact that UF was looking pretty vulnerable in their last few games, I think he might have felt the Buckeyes had a better shot against the Gators.

I knew a rematch wouldn't occur, but there was a pretty sizeable population that thought Michigan and Ohio State were the two best teams and both deserved to be in the big game. Thank you Florida and Southern Cal.

I'm not some biased fan. I routinely vacillate between Nick Saban and Urban Meyer being the best coach in college football. Those schools aren't exactly my favorite. I'll give credit where it's due. Florida, if they can beat Bama, will play for it all and win.
 
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kptvol said:
Plenty of posters on this site. Many of them were... anyway, a few of them were pretty objective guys. Herbstreit was all about a rematch, and given the close nature of the first game, and the fact that UF was looking pretty vulnerable in their last few games, I think he might have felt the Buckeyes had a better shot against the Gators.

I knew a rematch wouldn't occur, but there was a pretty sizeable population that thought Michigan and Ohio State were the two best teams and both deserved to be in the big game. Thank you Florida and Southern Cal.

I'm not some biased fan. I routinely vacillate between Nick Saban and Urban Meyer being the best coach in college football. Those schools aren't exactly my favorite. I'll give credit where it's due. Florida, if they can beat Bama, will play for it all and win.
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Well, fans on this site not wanting to see Florida in the national title game is not a big surprise. Florida could torch everyone on their schedule 100-0 and you'd find a couple of folks on here with some tortured theory about how they ought to be playing in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl.

And Herbstreit is a frothing at the mouth Big Ten apologist. He got his come-uppance when the Gators beat his Buckeyes like a red headed stepchild. I generally like his commentary, but when it comes to taking anything away from the Big Ten he just sticks his thumb in his mouth and hugs his blankey.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, fans on this site not wanting to see Florida in the national title game is not a big surprise. Florida could torch everyone on their schedule 100-0 and you'd find a couple of folks on here with some tortured theory about how they ought to be playing in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl.

And Herbstreit is a frothing at the mouth Big Ten apologist. He got his come-uppance when the Gators beat his Buckeyes like a red headed stepchild. I generally like his commentary, but when it comes to taking anything away from the Big Ten he just sticks his thumb in his mouth and hugs his blankey.
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He was actually very humble and made no excuses after beatdown #1. I'd say by the time LSU delivered beatdown #2 he went ahead and got drunk pregame. Quite a few fans on this site are SEC-homers first and foremost. Most of the rest believe the SEC is the best conference. Almost all of VN would be rather peeved (regardless of how hilarious it would be) if Florida or Bama got screwed out of the title game.
 
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kptvol said:
He was actually very humble and made no excuses after beatdown #1. I'd say by the time LSU delivered beatdown #2 he went ahead and got drunk pregame. Quite a few fans on this site are SEC-homers first and foremost. Most of the rest believe the SEC is the best conference. Almost all of VN would be rather peeved (regardless of how hilarious it would be) if Florida or Bama got screwed out of the title game.
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i believe this to be true as well.

as for Herby, he's been much more humble, almost to the over critical of the Big 10 this season.
 
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kptvol said:
He was actually very humble and made no excuses after beatdown #1. I'd say by the time LSU delivered beatdown #2 he went ahead and got drunk pregame. Quite a few fans on this site are SEC-homers first and foremost. Most of the rest believe the SEC is the best conference. Almost all of VN would be rather peeved (regardless of how hilarious it would be) if Florida or Bama got screwed out of the title game.
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I've looked at it up and down and if both Florida and Alabama win this weekend then I cannot see a scenario whereby the winner of the SECCG is left out of the national title game.

Obviously, if Alabama wins, then they just go in as #1 throughout.

If Florida wins, then

1) strength of schedule over the last two weeks (beating #23 FSU and #1 Alabama)

2) combined with the fact that the Big 12 will have annointed a conference champ but the other contenders (if there are any) willl not have even won their division, much less their conference

3) combined with the fact that even if USC backs into the PAC 10 championship they just don't have the mojo

4) combined with the fact that Penn State is playing in a pedestrian Big Ten

then the Gators are in, easily.

Most people predict a B12 champ versus SEC champ and all things considered that seems perfectly reasonable this year.
 
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