BCS Standings - November 6, 2011

#26
#26
How on earth did Bama only drop to 3rd? Can anyone explain how Bama is ahead of an undefeated Stanford team as well as an undefeated Boise State.
I bet OU is pretty upset considering they dropped like a rock when they lost.(Granted it was to Texas Tech) Bama should have fell to at least 6th. Oh well, BCS sucks as usual.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
How on earth did Bama only drop to 3rd? Can anyone explain how Bama is ahead of an undefeated Stanford team as well as an undefeated Boise State.
I bet OU is pretty upset considering they dropped like a rock when they lost.(Granted it was to Texas Tech) Bama should have fell to at least 6th. Oh well, BCS sucks as usual.
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Because Stanford's schedule has been fairly weak -- @USC and @UDub have been by far their toughest. Look at who its been other than that: SJSU, Duke, Zona, UCLA, Buffs, Wazzu, OSU.

Same deal for Boise's schedule outside of UGA.
 
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milohimself said:
Because Stanford's schedule has been fairly weak -- @USC and @UDub have been by far their toughest. Look at who its been other than that: SJSU, Duke, Zona, UCLA.
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Also, the USC game doesn't factor into the BCS rankings for Stanford or Oregon.

Because USC isn't eligible for a bowl game, the decision was made to remove them from schedules when doing a strength of schedule analysis.

BCS Explained, Bowl Championship Series

On July 30, 2010, the BCS announced that teams which are ineligible for postseason play will be removed from computer ratings for the purposes of determining the BCS Standings.

Each of the six computer rankings providers have notified the BCS group that ineligible teams will still be included in the individual computer rankings during the regular season to ensure the integrity of the data and in fairness to opponents. But, for the purpose of determining the BCS Standings, ineligible teams will be removed from each computer ranking and all others below it moved up one position.
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This is another fall out from the USC sanctions, and one that our conference opponents didn't expect.
 
#30
#30
That's pretty messed up, especially if it ends up screwing over Stanford or Oregon one way or another.
 
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milohimself said:
That's pretty messed up, especially if it ends up screwing over Stanford or Oregon one way or another.
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actually its not screwing Stanford/Oregon. In reality it just confirms to the rest of the football world that the SEC is the best and toughest conference in the nation.

There's the human side of the BCS aka the Harris Poll and USAToday. Both have Standford ahead of Bama (Oregon is signifcantlly behind). The difference is when it comes to the computers.

While there is no offical strength of schedule catagory in the rankings, the SOS is used in the calculation of the vast majority of the computer rankings. In the computer rankings, Bama has (1) 6ths place, (2) 4th place, and (3) 3rd place rankings. Throw out the highest and lowest and it hovers right around 3rd. Standfords has (1) 10th place, (2) 8th place, (1) 6th place, (1) 5th place, and (1) 3rd place. Throw out the high and low and you're looking at around an average of 7th. When the strength of your opponents comes into the dog fights in the south we all know becomes very apparent.
 
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#32
How much does the conference championship games play into these rankings? Is is possible for Alabama to be number 2 and miss the SECCG if LSU runs the table? or would they get jumped automatically because they didn't play that extra game?

I'd rather see a Bama / LSU rematch than to see either one of those teams cream a Boise State or Stanford.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
How much does the conference championship games play into these rankings? Is is possible for Alabama to be number 2 and miss the SECCG if LSU runs the table? or would they get jumped automatically because they didn't play that extra game?

I'd rather see a Bama / LSU rematch than to see either one of those teams cream a Boise State or Stanford.
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That game would be fun but I dont want to see it.

If everything runs out then Bama doesnt win their division nor their conference. They have no place in the NC game.
 
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GreveHaller said:
actually its not screwing Stanford/Oregon. In reality it just confirms to the rest of the football world that the SEC is the best and toughest conference in the nation.
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USC would be #20 in the Anderson computer rankings, #13 in the Billingsley computer rankings, #17 in the ColleyMatrix, and #19 in the Rothman rankings. I couldn't easily find the other rankings.

If it's true that a USC game doesn't factor into SOS for Oregon/Stanford (and I'm still not positive that's the case), then you are dead wrong. Removing a top-20 opponent from your schedule would undoubtedly hurt the SOS.
 
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GreveHaller said:
actually its not screwing Stanford/Oregon. In reality it just confirms to the rest of the football world that the SEC is the best and toughest conference in the nation.
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So USC being on probation confirms the superiority of the SEC... Riiiiiight.

It's stuff like this that makes everyone else hate SEC fans. It's not that the SEC isn't the best football conference, it's that folks like you suck at articulating why.
 
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#36
Come on guys, do your research. Just because you think something is wrong doesnt mean it is.

Anderson and Hester: Weight is given to conference strength and home versus away records. A&H takes into account both a given team’s opponents and the team’s opponents’ opponents, attempting to level the playing field if a team is the beneficiary of beating easy teams that in turn beat easy teams

Richard Billingsley: Teams start where they finished last year. Consideration is given to an opponent's rank, not just its W-L record, and it factors in things such as home field advantage and whether the game was an upset.

Colley Matrix: He doesn’t distinguish between home and road wins. Strength of schedule is determined by opponents’ W-L records, which means a team with more losses against quality opponents will be ranked higher than a team with. The Matrix also does not credit teams for running up the score

Kenneth Massey:. Points scored and allowed are considered as is home field advantage. Teams are ranked prior to the season based on last year’s performance. In essence, Massey’s rating is quite simple — in the end the ratings measure a team’s wins and losses against the strength of the schedule they faced and where the game was held. Therefore, it hurts a team less to beat a poor team than to lose to a good team in the short run, but in the long run the schedule could hurt that team. It also benefits a team greatly to beat an evenly matched team.


Jeff Sagarin:. His rankings are based on wins, losses and home versus road wins. He publishes a separate ranking for USA Today, which factors in margin of victory, which is not allowed in the BCS. Sagarin’s strength of schedule is implicit in his rankings, as each rating output compounds both records of opponents and records of opponents’ opponents.

Peter Wolfe: Rankings are based on the likelihood of one team defeating another. Wins, losses, conference strength and game location are all considered
 
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#37
Yeah, and it's pretty obvious that the computers consider the Pac-12 extremely weak, which is why Stanford and Oregon are so low. Taking USC, one of the best teams in the conference, out of the equation isn't helping their conference strength at all.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the SEC.
 
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