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WoodsmanVol said:
Pretty soon women will be mostly male-less as more and more men, and now boys, join the MGTOW parade.
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How large is the MGTOW? It is about as large as the radical feminist which, frankly, I rarely ever see someone that fits either description in real life. They are all over social media but they seem to be only a small percentage of the actual real population.
 
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volbound1700 said:
How large is the MGTOW? It is about as large as the radical feminist which, frankly, I rarely ever see someone that fits either description in real life. They are all over social media but they seem to be only a small percentage of the actual real population.
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You need to maybe travel more. It's not like they run around advertising what they are, like a town cryer. They have their own hangouts, private meetings/seminars, etc. They also have a reserve of lawyers for paternity and divorce issues for men who need that. In other words, support networks similar to what women have and men haven't had until recent times. No safe houses as yet though, doubt there ever will be. It's there, but you won't see a public billboard, TV commercial, or street marches about it. A group, I think in either California or Texas pizzed off some local women (Feminists) who resented several speaking at a high school boys only meeting about MGTOW. Said they were poisoning boys against girls, and causing anxiety, feeling of inadequacy, and unattractiveness in the gals. If you ask me, I think their real issues was fear their puzzy pass license advantage might expire. Surprised this wasn't more widely reported on news media, as it was perfect pro-feminist fodder. You just need to be out and about more, and/or read more.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
You need to maybe travel more. It's not like they run around advertising what they are, like a town cryer. They have their own hangouts, private meetings/seminars, etc. They also have a reserve of lawyers for paternity and divorce issues for men who need that. In other words, support networks similar to what women have and men haven't had until recent times. No safe houses as yet though, doubt there ever will be. It's there, but you won't see a public billboard, TV commercial, or street marches about it. A group, I think in either California or Texas pizzed off some local women (Feminists) who resented several speaking at a high school boys only meeting about MGTOW. Said they were poisoning boys against girls, and causing anxiety, feeling of inadequacy, and unattractiveness in the gals. If you ask me, I think their real issues was fear their puzzy pass license advantage might expire. Surprised this wasn't more widely reported on news media, as it was perfect pro-feminist fodder. You just need to be out and about more, and/or read more.
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I am out and about quite a lot. Most people that I know are still married and have kids. Sure, I run into the grumpy single ever so often. Ironically some of the more recent ones that I have been around are women. Even then, those women see the bear exercise as more of a joke and laugh about it.

For example, all the time I bump into girls I don't know via travel, just being out, etc. I don't see them intimidated or running away. They usually talk to me openly. I guess a lot of it is how you carry yourself and I don't come off as intimidating or weird.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
While the whole premise of this is stupid, I am sure there are plenty of women who earnestly believe this overall concept. I would surmise those women are the same types who believe they are in imminent danger of being raped (part of their rape fantasy) while also battling crippling obesity and type 2 diabeetus.
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volbound1700 said:
I am out and about quite a lot. Most people that I know are still married and have kids. Sure, I run into the grumpy single ever so often. Ironically some of the more recent ones that I have been around are women. Even then, those women see the bear exercise as more of a joke and laugh about it.

For example, all the time I bump into girls I don't know via travel, just being out, etc. I don't see them intimidated or running away. They usually talk to me openly. I guess a lot of it is how you carry yourself and I don't come off as intimidating or weird.
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I've had experiences like yours. And experiences where a woman unknowingly dropped an item. I got it, "Mam, you dropped this." Got a look from her as if I'd threatened to eat her kids and burn down her house. Snatched it from me and not a word of, thank you. So, it depends on who you meant and where, I suppose. Smiled at some and got a smile back, others who hurry off as if I had vampire fangs. Just as all men aren't jerks, all women aren't either. BUT. for mean given how society perceptions, the courts, law enforcement etc are biased against men, I understand why the MGTOW advocate defending themselves by having a thick line between them and women. You don't know which ones will decide to MeToo you for so much as holding a door open for them, or offering your seat.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
I've had experiences like yours. And experiences where a woman unknowingly dropped an item. I got it, "Mam, you dropped this." Got a look from her as if I'd threatened to eat her kids and burn down her house. Snatched it from me and not a word of, thank you. So, it depends on who you meant and where, I suppose. Smiled at some and got a smile back, others who hurry off as if I had vampire fangs. Just as all men aren't jerks, all women aren't either. BUT. for mean given how society perceptions, the courts, law enforcement etc are biased against men, I understand why the MGTOW advocate defending themselves by having a thick line between them and women. You don't know which ones will decide to MeToo you for so much as holding a door open for them, or offering your seat.
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It is hard for me to judge too much as I have been married for over 11 years and even dated my wife before then.

I had a hard time getting into serious relationships in Highschool. Girls did talk to me and were easy around me but I was both shy and girls tended to not be that interested in me. I did take my crush to Prom so I had a big win at the end of high school.

Same was kind of true about College although I wasn't necessarily as shy then.

I did date in grad school and then after graduation, I had a lot of dates but usually not with girls that I wanted.

I also have a sister and she has friends so I have heard the other side of dating and there are instances were the guy messes things up as well and clearly hearing the story, it wasn't on the girl.

I do, generally, find that girls are very difficult at the high school and college age (not always). They really don't make great decisions on dating or life decisions in general. Not all are like this but definitely at least 1/3 to 1/2 are like this and generally, they tend to be the more attractive grouping. This is where the gag of the OP comes into play. I think this is where all the "nice guy" comments originate. The actual issue isn't that these women don't date "nice guys" (and not always is the nice guy an actual nice guy) but the fact that they date bad guys.

There is an angry subset of women that either dating around the bad boys constantly and take those experiences away as being all men or just struggle to date because they aren't attractive or have personality flaws. This is the loud feminist group.

You have a similar crop of men who had bad experiences and now form the group you are alluding to.

However, most people don't fit into those categories. Granted, I live in Tennessee and not New York or California, perhaps it is worse there near larger urban areas. I also agree that the laws can be slanted at times {the biggest losers are often children as they can clearly want to be with parent A or with neither parent (fostering) but the court will force the relationships. To me, children should have more say in their fate (at least when they reach 8 years or older}.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
I've had experiences like yours. And experiences where a woman unknowingly dropped an item. I got it, "Mam, you dropped this." Got a look from her as if I'd threatened to eat her kids and burn down her house. Snatched it from me and not a word of, thank you. So, it depends on who you meant and where, I suppose. Smiled at some and got a smile back, others who hurry off as if I had vampire fangs. Just as all men aren't jerks, all women aren't either. BUT. for mean given how society perceptions, the courts, law enforcement etc are biased against men, I understand why the MGTOW advocate defending themselves by having a thick line between them and women. You don't know which ones will decide to MeToo you for so much as holding a door open for them, or offering your seat.
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So, I read the MGTOW link you posted and have to say this ā€œmovementā€ doesnā€™t surprise me. Having been with my wife for 31 years, married for 27, my position is a little different. Iā€™ve seen coworkers jump into another marriage after divorce or the death of a spouse only to get creamed by an opportunitistc or completely crazy woman that put on just a good enough show to get him to the altar and take what was left in a divorce a short time later.

Heaven forbid something happen to my wife, I would be entirely reluctant to get married again and IF I was even to consider it, she better be of substantial financial means and a prenup would be signed by all parties. No chance I would risk losing what my wife and I built with someone that didnā€™t have skin in the game, especially when they did nothing to support, improve or help me build a career, retirement savings and other assets. Maybe I would just retire early and go live in a cabin in the middle of Alaska. Maybe get on that show ā€œLife Below Zeroā€.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Have any of you seen the long Facebook discussions about this topic?

I find the premise and conversation to be absurd but I can almost understand why sometimes women would list the bear.

The best post was the following. My wife and I got a kick out of this one.

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what is the conversation exactly?

Women are choosing bears over men I get. but what is the actual question, or what is the context?
 
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My uncle that used to live in Alaska has a fun story about a bear eating some poor guy's wife while he went to get help against an aggressive home-intruding Grizzly.
 
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Thanks for the replies. But just remember I wasn't talking about you, your marriage etc. I was talking about why MGTOW exists. I do personally think the ERA and its accompanying feminism started off the right way and for the right reasons. It's when a faction of women bit by bit morphed it into an anti-man bludgeon that it changed. It took on an aspect of militarism. And so, like the book says, As face answers to face, so the heart of man (kind) answers to the heart of man (kind). Humans have a well-founded history of adapting good things for bad purposes. So clear it up, this isn't a women bad, men good thing. It's to explain WHY MGTOW exists. It won't shock me if (maybe even already started) a faction of men adapt it the self-defense against society-wide anti-male bias, to a platform for woman-hating. Humans gonna human, you know.

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