Beast Package...

#28
#28
I like it, but to be honest, I think we started to go to that well a little too much towards the end of the year.....
 
#32
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Brak said:
Plays don't have to be unpredictable to be effective. I can only think of one time, off the top of my head, that it didn't work. It was on a 4th and 1 he got stuffed but it was because AJ made the wrong read which he admitted.
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Refridgerator Perry was about as predictable as you could get...Right down your throat...stop it if you can!
 
#33
#33
A.J ran the beast package 12 times, scored 6 touch downs. got 2 or 3 first downs, and it got crushed 2 or 3 times. I see no reason to take it out. everyone knew what was coming every time.
 
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#34
#34
Yes, if there is a better percent conversion rate on short yardage play out there than A.J. in the Beast package we've had since Travis Stephens was here, I'm not aware of it. 75% conversion on short yardage is incredible. And with only one exception when he got it it was an easy conversion.

Also, so what if they know its coming. Its a play and formation that in a specific situation is the most effective option with the personnel we have regardless of it being obvious. Hating on the formation because they can see it coming is like complaining about lining up in the Shotgun with 5 wide outs on 3 and 17 because then they know you are passing. Well, yeah.
 
#35
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glhal2814 said:
Yes, if there is a better percent conversion rate on short yardage play out there than A.J. in the Beast package we've had since Travis Stephens was here, I'm not aware of it. 75% conversion on short yardage is incredible. And with only one exception when he got it it was an easy conversion.

Also, so what if they know its coming. Its a play and formation that in a specific situation is the most effective option with the personnel we have regardless of it being obvious. Hating on the formation because they can see it coming is like complaining about lining up in the Shotgun with 5 wide outs on 3 and 17 because then they know you are passing. Well, yeah.
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Yea 3rd & 17 means automatic pass. Tell that to Troy. Honestly it just seemed like some gimmick formation to somehow hype up AJ for whatever reason. I'm not sure what everybody thinks they see but he's an average at best linebacker & did what 90% of our roster could do if given the same chance in that formation.
 
#37
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govols/cc said:
Yea 3rd & 17 means automatic pass. Tell that to Troy. Honestly it just seemed like some gimmick formation to somehow hype up AJ for whatever reason. I'm not sure what everybody thinks they see but he's an average at best linebacker & did what 90% of our roster could do if given the same chance in that formation.
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Using the Troy game as an argument for anything but Sanseri's incompetence as a Defensive Coordinator makes the rest of any point you are making irrelevant. You know exactly my point, and quoting the Troy defensive meltdown doesn't make yours.

And its absolutely ludicrous to state 90% of our players could do the same thing in that formation. I'm not sure 90% of our running backs could convert over 75% of the time in short yardage in any formation. That's based solely on the fact that in the prior two years, they didn't.
 
#38
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glhal2814 said:
Using the Troy game as an argument for anything but Sanseri's incompetence as a Defensive Coordinator makes the rest of any point you are making irrelevant. You know exactly my point, and quoting the Troy defensive meltdown doesn't make yours.

And its absolutely ludicrous to state 90% of our players could do the same thing in that formation. I'm not sure 90% of our running backs could convert over 75% of the time in short yardage in any formation. That's based solely on the fact that in the prior two years, they didn't.
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Yea you posted same thing twice & still didn't make a point.
 
#40
#40
glhal2814 said:
I made a clear point and anyone who chooses to can see it clearly. But hey, you tried and that's all anyone can ask.
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What was your point? A down & distance formation dictates a play? I proved it didn't & you deflected to some other bs. AJ is a decent player & average as far as SEC talent goes. That package he ran out of was nothing special. He didn't run guys over or outrun anybody for damn sure or do anything special. There are better players on our team that could've offered far more than he did out of that set.
 
#41
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govols/cc said:
What was your point? A down & distance formation dictates a play? I proved it didn't & you deflected to some other bs. AJ is a decent player & average as far as SEC talent goes. That package he ran out of was nothing special. He didn't run guys over or outrun anybody for damn sure or do anything special. There are better players on our team that could've offered far more than he did out of that set.
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Yet he was the most effective short yardage back we've had in 10 years...
 
#43
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govols/cc said:
What was your point? A down & distance formation dictates a play? I proved it didn't & you deflected to some other bs. AJ is a decent player & average as far as SEC talent goes. That package he ran out of was nothing special. He didn't run guys over or outrun anybody for damn sure or do anything special. There are better players on our team that could've offered far more than he did out of that set.
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My point absolutely was not that down and distance dictates a play. My point was that knowing a formation's prevalent tendency doesn't mean the formation sucks if its particularly suited for a down and distance. No one says its a bad idea to get in an obvious throwing package and toss it in a long 3rd and long because its a good idea to go all in with a throwing package there. Going all in on a running package on short yard is similarly a good strategy even if you never throw it.

You're going out of your way to suggest I said you can't run for a first down out of 5 wide outs in a 3rd and long or can't throw for a first down in a 3rd and short out of a Wildcat / Beast / Single Wing. You're disproof of a point isn't a point I've made or argued.

And while I agree the formation isn't anything special or unique, the success rate our personnel had with it in short yardage was. I don't care what formation you have, if you have a >75% percent conversion rate on short yardage with your personnel in that formation, its special. Its so good, that throwing it just to keep the defense guessing isn't going to make any real difference compared to complicating the package. And its so good its foolish to assume any player on your team could do as well, because most players on most teams don't get that in any situation at the college level.
 
#46
#46
govols/cc said:
Lol ok. If you actually believe that you're not very smart.
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The last time I felt confident in a short yardage situation was in 2000 with Travis Henry. Actually that was 12 years ago...

BTW, subjectivity is no place to question intelligence.
 
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