Beer Barrel

#26
#26
orangefan1998 said:
Being in college promotes over drinking, why I don't know but it is the place to over indulge in alcohol. But regardless a beer barrel isn't the problem. Not paying attention to players and not being responsible is. Both schools just saw a neutral object to blame instead of the kid getting behind the wheel while intoxicated. It is a shame that incident stopped tradition considering that it had nothing to do with the rivalry. Wasn't even before Tennessee played Kentucky that year?
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Neutral object? what are we talking about on a college sports board right now, college drinking. It may seem excessive but it brings up the problem of overdrinking ever year about this time.
 
#28
#28
ukvols said:
It was indeed the week before the UT-UK game in 1998 when the accident happened. And the Bourbon Barrell was between UK and Indiana.
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Wasn't there a 3rd drinking related trophy between UK and some other school?

I knew about the Beer and the Bourbon barrel.
 
#29
#29
Minnesota plays some other team for a giant axe.

Is that appropriate or does it promote college axe-murdering :question:
 
#30
#30
I hate to be a spoil sport but.....1700 dead a year?? come on, I think we can live without the beer barrel. :BANGHEAD2:

A Snapshot of Annual High-Risk College Drinking Consequences

The consequences of excessive and underage drinking affect virtually all college campuses, college communities, and college students, whether they choose to drink or not.
  • Death: 1,700 college students between the ages of 18 and 24 die each year from alcohol-related unintentional injuries, including motor vehicle crashes (Hingson et al., 2005).
  • Injury: 599,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are unintentionally injured under the influence of alcohol (Hingson et al., 2005).
  • Assault: More than 696,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are assaulted by another student who has been drinking (Hingson et al., 2005).
  • Sexual Abuse: More than 97,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are victims of alcohol-related sexual assault or date rape (Hingson et al., 2005).
  • Unsafe Sex: 400,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 had unprotected sex and more than 100,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 report having been too intoxicated to know if they consented to having sex (Hingson et al., 2002).
  • Academic Problems: About 25 percent of college students report academic consequences of their drinking including missing class, falling behind, doing poorly on exams or papers, and receiving lower grades overall (Engs et al., 1996; Presley et al., 1996a, 1996b; Wechsler et al., 2002).
  • Health Problems/Suicide Attempts: More than 150,000 students develop an alcohol-related health problem (Hingson et al., 2002) and between 1.2 and 1.5 percent of students indicate that they tried to commit suicide within the past year due to drinking or drug use (Presley et al., 1998).
  • Drunk Driving: 2.1 million students between the ages of 18 and 24 drove under the influence of alcohol last year (Hingson et al., 2002).
  • Vandalism: About 11 percent of college student drinkers report that they have damaged property while under the influence of alcohol (Wechsler et al., 2002).
  • Property Damage: More than 25 percent of administrators from schools with relatively low drinking levels and over 50 percent from schools with high drinking levels say their campuses have a "moderate" or "major" problem with alcohol-related property damage (Wechsler et al., 1995).
  • Police Involvement: About 5 percent of 4-year college students are involved with the police or campus security as a result of their drinking (Wechsler et al., 2002) and an estimated 110,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 are arrested for an alcohol-related violation such as public drunkenness or driving under the influence (Hingson et al., 2002).
  • Alcohol Abuse and Dependence: 31 percent of college students met criteria for a diagnosis of alcohol abuse and 6 percent for a diagnosis of alcohol dependence in the past 12 months, according to questionnaire-based self-reports about their drinking (Knight et al., 2002).
Last reviewed: 9/23/2005​
 
#31
#31
And displaying or not displaying a 75-year-old barrel has exactly what effect on those statistics? How many college kids will change their behavior based on whether UT and KY use it as a trophy?
 
#33
#33
crazyguy said:
A Snapshot of Annual High-Risk College Drinking Consequences

The consequences of excessive and underage drinking affect virtually all college campuses, college communities, and college students, whether they choose to drink or not.

  • Unsafe Sex: 400,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 had unprotected sex and more than 100,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 report having been too intoxicated to know if they consented to having sex (Hingson et al., 2002).
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Was that point supposed to be viewed as a negative?
 
#34
#34
The Beer Barrel has/had nothing to do with college kids getting drunk or driving drunk and killing someone. But I do understand why they put the barrel in the basement that year. The accident happened six days earlier...

Some of the things missing (gone from?) in our society nowadays:

Self Respect
Shame
Personal Responsibilty
 
#35
#35
Oh, I absolutely understand why they kept it under wraps that year. But it's been almost a decade; I think it's okay for the tradition to continue. But I guess empty symbolism trumps personal responsibility every time.
 
#36
#36
All in the name of PC. Maybe we can get the ACLU to protest removing the beer barrell, because its taking away our rights as fans.
 
#37
#37
Vercingetorix said:
And displaying or not displaying a 75-year-old barrel has exactly what effect on those statistics? How many college kids will change their behavior based on whether UT and KY use it as a trophy?
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The point is that for 10 years now (or however long it's been) we've been talking about a problem (at least indirectly) that we wouldn't otherwise bring up....how is that a bad thing?
 
#39
#39
crazyguy said:
The point is that for 10 years now (or however long it's been) we've been talking about a problem (at least indirectly) that we wouldn't otherwise bring up....how is that a bad thing?
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It's bad because it's pointless. The Beer Barrel may not have been the greatest tradition in college football, but it was 75 years old, and we've thrown it in the dustbin so that we can "talk about" it? It's as empty a gesture as the Georgia administration asking the media not to refer to the GA/FLA game as the Cocktail Party anymore. Do they really think that somehow changes what people in Jacksonville are going to do?
 
#40
#40
Vercingetorix said:
And displaying or not displaying a 75-year-old barrel has exactly what effect on those statistics? How many college kids will change their behavior based on whether UT and KY use it as a trophy?
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If UT beats UK I'm going to hijack a Budweiser 18-wheeler, and drive it the wrong way down the interstate while drinking the cargo.
 
#41
#41
kptvol said:
If UT beats UK I'm going to hijack a Budweiser 18-wheeler, and drive it the wrong way down the interstate while drinking the cargo.
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Will you drop of some kegs for me, at my house, before you do that? I want to be on my feet.:huggy:
 
#42
#42
Final point. Taking a barrel away never decreased the amount of college drinking or drinking and driving deaths sorry. Other people in the world drink-fact! And taking away a beer barrel i.e. neutral object took heat off both schools. Something had to take the fall. Sorry about anyone who has lost someone due to drinking and driving, but taking a barrel away will not stop alcohol related deaths that is a red herring if I have ever heard one. Think about it if the people that died in that wreck were not University students do you really think both schools would have ended that tradition. It was an action designed not to directly blame the schools but an object of tradition.
 
#43
#43
This is like saying stopping the Axe tradition between Minnesotta and Winsconsin will decrease the number of Axe murders in the area that next year.

Empty Beer Barrel = Orange
College Drinking = Apple
 
#44
#44
Vercingetorix said:
It's bad because it's pointless. The Beer Barrel may not have been the greatest tradition in college football, but it was 75 years old, and we've thrown it in the dustbin so that we can "talk about" it? It's as empty a gesture as the Georgia administration asking the media not to refer to the GA/FLA game as the Cocktail Party anymore. Do they really think that somehow changes what people in Jacksonville are going to do?
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well as far as i'm concerned i'm not sure that the cocktail party and the beer barrell are fair comparisons...of course, it's all opinion at this point anyway
 
#45
#45
Hey i'm not the defender of all things against drinking...I love my little hole in the wall pub. That being said, just because something is a tradition does not make it right. The beer barrell was a cool thing, but is it not worth keeping it in storage so that we can at least talk about underage overdrinking at this time of the year. You're right, there is no way to tell if this is causing a decrease in drinking...but heck, avoding a problem never caused it to go away either. I don't think that the world would come to an end if it was brought back, but I also think it's a good idea to keep it in storage.
 
#48
#48
Apparently it used to be called the Ice Water Barrel during Prohibition. They could at least go back to that.

And so the first Ice Water Barrel game between Tennessee and Kentucky was born. Before the game, six representatives from each school met at the 50-yard-line, where the keg rested.

A representative would then drink a cup of water from the barrel and toast to the foe. After the song "How Dry I Am" was played, the game was ready to begin.
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Now THAT'S a tradition!

(From a News-Sentinel article that is supposed to be available to subscribers only, but you can read the Google cache here.)
 
#49
#49
If it isn't called a beer barrell anymore it marks the third time its name has changed. It is in fact a Whiskey barrell. According to Marvin West the name was changed to beer barrell to appease some women's group. Marvin says it is an orange, white and blue bourbon barrell. Maybe if we change it to the "koolade" barrell it could be brought back. I know this post isn't worth much to intellectuals. I'm just a simple person and thought it was interesting.
 
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