Ben Joyce to the Show

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SonOfGodVolforlife said:
Once Ryan got that pitching coach i think 3 years into his mlb career, he gained control on that fastball and become the guy soon after. All it takes is one coach that can see this guys potential and that can get him under control he’ll be one of the best.
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Walks & hit batters were WAY UP up in the southern league this year as a result of the sticky ball test. It failed miserably. Joyce's last few outings in AA were completely dominate and on target. I suspect he adjusted, but like others, it took time and he found himself digging out of a hole. His ability to rise under adverse situations (men on base) is uncanny. The sticky ball did no one any favors....

New 'Enhanced Grip' Baseball Raising Concerns, Strikeouts in Double-A Southern League
 
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GOBO-Baseball02 said:
Walks & hit batters were WAY UP up in the southern league this year as a result of the sticky ball test. It failed miserably. Joyce's last few outings in AA were completely dominate and on target. I suspect he adjusted, but like others, it took time and he found himself digging out of a hole. His ability to rise under adverse situations (men on base) is uncanny. The sticky ball did no one any favors....

New 'Enhanced Grip' Baseball Raising Concerns, Strikeouts in Double-A Southern League
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I'm afraid here's what's going on, clip from 2019 Sports Illustrated article where it sounds like MLB is trying to not have to buy mud from a family business:

So it shouldn’t be surprising that MLB has recently tried to eliminate Bintliff, teaming with Rawlings to develop a ball that doesn’t need to be enhanced by mud. But baseball is realizing that it isn’t so easy to replace him, and, in fact, it might not be possible at all.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/08/07/baseball-mud-rawlings
 
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GOBO-Baseball02 said:
Too bad Tony V didn't know what to do with Joyce, perhaps we could have made it to Omaha.
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That is a straight up garbage post.

Tony used him in the same role Trash Pandas settled on. At this point in his career, he is too wild to be a closer. If he is on, use him for an inning, or so, around the 7th.

Last year, we had Redmond who was lights out as the closer. Joyce is not consistent enough to be a starter. I would actually argue that CTV made better use of his unique talent than the Trash Pandas did this year.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
That is a straight up garbage post.

Tony used him in the same role Trash Pandas settled on. At this point in his career, he is too wild to be a closer. If he is on, use him for an inning, or so, around the 7th.

Last year, we had Redmond who was lights out as the closer. Joyce is not consistent enough to be a starter. I would actually argue that CTV made better use of his unique talent than the Trash Pandas did this year.
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Nah, I don't think so. He hardly threw Joyce based on what he was doing, Panda's pitched him more with better coaching. You cannot throw occasionally or now & then. Looking at his '22 stats. Joyce was #10 in innings and #2 in strikeouts. The only pitchers to have more strikeouts were the starters and he had one of the best era's. Even Tony said he was a wild horse, did not know how to handle him. Too bad, we will never know and it doesn't really matter at this point.
 
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That is because he was coming back from injury. Their lack of pitching him is what got him to where he is. I bet you Ben is not complaining. Tony and Frank care about their players and will risk losing a game now to make them successful later. Sounds like you are one of those who does not like our coaches.
 
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txbo said:
I've seen every pitch of his Major League career so far. His command has been incredibly impressive.
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Great! Don't have stats in front of me, but with Pandas, his walks/hit batters were higher than innings pitched. But, so was his strikeouts.

Think he was leading the teams in saves.

Double A baseball stats isn't a great judge of pitching, because the coaches aren't trying to win the game at all costs. They sometimes leave them out there longer than normal just to get the experience of working thru difficult situations without your good stuff.
 
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txbo said:
I've seen every pitch of his Major League career so far. His command has been incredibly impressive.
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Me too - and I don’t even watch MLB. 22 pitches so far and only 3 or 4 have missed the zone. And the ones outside the zone aren’t missing by much. He’s even gotten swings and misses on a few just outside the zone. Incredible start; hopefully he can keep it up for a long time.
 
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Speaking of the TrashPandas, I live in Madison less than 10 minutes from Toyota Field. My son-in-law has season tickets directly behind home plate. I’ve been to a few games and it just looked different when he was pitching compared to most of the other guys. It’s an amazing experience watching a 102 mph fastball coming straight at you. As someone who caught a lot growing up, and even in recent years in senior ball, my hand hurts just watching his pitches coming in.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Great! Don't have stats in front of me, but with Pandas, his walks/hit batters were higher than innings pitched. But, so was his strikeouts.

Think he was leading the teams in saves.

Double A baseball stats isn't a great judge of pitching, because the coaches aren't trying to win the game at all costs. They sometimes leave them out there longer than normal just to get the experience of working thru difficult situations without your good stuff.
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His control got better every week with the Trash Pandas. His last couple outtings were really impressive.
 
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Volrocketman said:
Speaking of the TrashPandas, I live in Madison less than 10 minutes from Toyota Field. My son-in-law has season tickets directly behind home plate. I’ve been to a few games and it just looked different when he was pitching compared to most of the other guys. It’s an amazing experience watching a 102 mph fastball coming straight at you. As someone who caught a lot growing up, and even in recent years in senior ball, my hand hurts just watching his pitches coming in.
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He's really getting some movement on that fastball too.
 
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preacherman20 said:
That is because he was coming back from injury. Their lack of pitching him is what got him to where he is. I bet you Ben is not complaining. Tony and Frank care about their players and will risk losing a game now to make them successful later. Sounds like you are one of those who does not like our coaches.
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I respect your feelings on the matter. My experience is that you can be too conservative when bringing back a player from Tommy John. I just don't think Tony knew what to do with him and was too conservative.
 
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Ben is currently on 15 day DL. Arm problems arose but MRI showed no ligament damage in elbow. Thought to be an inflamed nerve in the elbow, is still with the Angels and doing his rahab from there.
 
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