Between the UConn/ND and SC/Duke game...

[LasVegasBill23]

Good point on Muffet..... memory may be bad, but McBride was #30 something in country, Achonwa not too highly rated either.... she and her staff did a nice job with them.... going back a couple of years Novosel was not highly touted either .....

 

[Amb3096]

Do not compare our offense to Notre Dame's--you're insulting McGraw, who coaches circles around our staff with equal or less talent. They came to Ktown a couple of years ago and absolutely embarrassed us, but that isn't so hard to do anymore. Actually, we usually just embarrass ourselves--see first half of texas game for latest example.

Did you watch the game against UConn? After the first 10 minutes, Muffett's game plan was to let Jewell Loyd go 1-on-5 and hope for the best.

RE: ND's last win in Knoxville, I'm pretty sure that was a tightly contested game until the last 5 minutes or so when Skylar Diggins hit one big shot after another. 10 points when the other team is resorting to fouling to try to get the ball back is hardly a blow out. Considering that team had 3 Top 10 WNBA picks (and a future top 3 pick in all likelihood), I wouldn't exactly call that a team with equal or lesser talent. They had way more talent.

 

[Amb3096]

Good point on Muffet..... memory may be bad, but McBride was #30 something in country, Achonwa not too highly rated either.... she and her staff did a nice job with them.... going back a couple of years Novosel was not highly touted either .....

Kayla McBride was a McD AA. Novosel was also a top 50 recruit. Achonwa played for the Canadian National Team in high school.

I personally think that Muffett is the best strategic coach in the WCBB game today, but not let's go overboard. She wasn't dealing with a bunch of walk-ons. She's had an immensely talented and highly recruited roster for the last 5 years.

 

[Orange Maniac]

You've got me confused with another poster who wolfed about Diamond going to Tennessee. If she's happy, I'm happy. I think your fanbase(and another one) has had animosity toward SC since Wilson gave you both stiff-arms. You still mad we kept Wilson, or nah?

I've not seen anyone that has animosity towards SC because of Wilson. You have her and that's all good. You need to understand that we don't like you just because you are SC. Who cares what a Cock has to say anyway.lol:

 

[CockyGuy]

I've not seen anyone that has animosity towards SC because of Wilson. You have her and that's all good. You need to understand that we don't like you just because you are SC. Who cares what a Cock has to say anyway.lol:

I don't need to understand sheeeiitt. I was just responding to the poster's BS comment, in which he/she had the audacity to call anyone overrated. I would think after getting your rear ends handed to you a couple of times this year already, you would be a little more humbled/concerned about the direction of your program.

 

[Orange Maniac]

I don't need to understand sheeeiitt. I was just responding to the poster's BS comment, in which he/she had the audacity to call anyone overrated. I would think after getting your rear ends handed to you a couple of times this year already, you would be a little more humbled/concerned about the direction of your program.

Your awfully cocky for a bunch that hasn't done a whole lot so far. SC is getting better but they need to prove a little more to me before all the crowing means squat. Go peck in the dirt some more.

 

[stubbs9]

I wonder how long it's going to take for people start bashing McGraw and Tara Vanderveer for being so successful but never bringing home a title. People are always comparing Holly to these coaches but no one wins championships except for UConn. Mulkey won 1 with Griner which is not very successful IMO.

 

[CockyGuy]

Your awfully cocky for a bunch that hasn't done a whole lot so far. SC is getting better but they need to prove a little more to me before all the crowing means squat. Go peck in the dirt some more.

You can dish out a little trash talk, but you can't take it. LOL. Anyway, I'll go back in the coop now until we play each other.

 

[Amb3096]

I wonder how long it's going to take for people start bashing McGraw and Tara Vanderveer for being so successful but never bringing home a title. People are always comparing Holly to these coaches but no one wins championships except for UConn. Mulkey won 1 with Griner which is not very successful IMO.

Muffett and Tara have their NC rings already, and Kim got one before Griner, but your point is a good one. How can Holly get slammed for losing to Maryland in the tournament last year, with people wishing that Jeff Walz would replace her...but ignore the fact that Louisville lost to the same Maryland team in the next round?

Don't get me wrong...I don't think Holly is a HOF coach. Maybe not even the best coach in the SEC. But she's not exactly bush league either.

 

[stubbs9]

Muffett and Tara have their NC rings already, and Kim got one before Griner, but your point is a good one. How can Holly get slammed for losing to Maryland in the tournament last year, with people wishing that Jeff Walz would replace her...but ignore the fact that Louisville lost to the same Maryland team in the next round?

Don't get me wrong...I don't think Holly is a HOF coach. Maybe not even the best coach in the SEC. But she's not exactly bush league either.

I agree and yes they do have titles but I'm referring to the past 10 years. I don't think Holly is the best either but she has done an ok job as far as winning a SEC Regular season and Tournament title. If we kept going to the Final 4 without winning then people would have a problem with that too.

 

[Orange Maniac]

You can dish out a little trash talk, but you can't take it. LOL. Anyway, I'll go back in the coop now until we play each other.

Stupid statement. I can take all the trash talk you got. It would make more sense to earn that privilege first. :matrix:

 

[Darth_Vol]

Good point on Muffet..... memory may be bad, but McBride was #30 something in country, Achonwa not too highly rated either.... she and her staff did a nice job with them.... going back a couple of years Novosel was not highly touted either .....

Muffet is outstanding. Even in light of this past game, she's the only real rival to Geno right now...

 

[linkster]

RE: ND's last win in Knoxville, I'm pretty sure that was a tightly contested game until the last 5 minutes or so when Skylar Diggins hit one big shot after another. 10 points when the other team is resorting to fouling to try to get the ball back is hardly a blow out. Considering that team had 3 Top 10 WNBA picks (and a future top 3 pick in all likelihood), I wouldn't exactly call that a team with equal or lesser talent. They had way more talent.

Notre Dame's last trip to Knoxville was last year and after leading 46-41 at the half the LV's lost by 16. Yes, Notre Dame had two future 1st round WNBA picks but the LV's started 4 McD AA's (not sure about Jones), and had a NPOY coming off the bench with other McD AA's.

 

[Amb3096]

Notre Dame's last trip to Knoxville was last year and after leading 46-41 at the half the LV's lost by 16. Yes, Notre Dame had two future 1st round WNBA picks but the LV's started 4 McD AA's (not sure about Jones), and had a NPOY coming off the bench with other McD AA's.

That's interesting...ND has played in Knoxville two years in a row.

But I think my point still stands...having established, credible stars at the college level trumps HS credentials. McBride and Achonwa may not have been as highly decorated in the Hoopgurlz rankings compared to Burdick and Massengale, but they are superior players. No one looking at last year's roster would think that Tennessee would be favored to win the game. Besides the two mentioned, there were another 4 (at least) McD AAs, including one that was the National Freshman of the Year the previous year and finished last season as an AA. ND had 3 players finish the year with National Honors, compared to 0 for Tennessee.

In any event, they kept it close for a half, so that's a moral victory

PS - Jones was a WBCA HS All Star.

 

[stubbs9]

We will play in South Bend 2 years straight as well.

 

[volcrazy89]

You still mad we kept Wilson, or nah?

Not really. Diamond is lightyears better than her ... and it's even really close. Especially since she has some dumb notion that she's a guard. :rofl:

 

[volcrazy89]

I don't need to understand sheeeiitt. I was just responding to the poster's BS comment, in which he/she had the audacity to call anyone overrated. I would think after getting your rear ends handed to you a couple of times this year already, you would be a little more humbled/concerned about the direction of your program.

I would think that since you are a visitor on this board you would understand that, for the most part, people here don't give two shakes of a rat's ass about your team one way or another. My statement had nothing to do with Tennessee. TN winning or losing games has nothing to do with SC being overrated or not. Sorry. Quit grasping for a strawman.

Yes, SC is overrated. And no, they haven't proven jack sh*t. Their ranking is dependent on them getting Aja Wilson, and I'm not sure why, because no matter how much ESPN wants to pimp her, she isn't a game-changing or program-changing type recruit. She wasn't really even a unanimous #1 recruit. Many people thought Turner and/or Mitchell were better. And whether you like it or not, much of the hype SC got before the season started and are getting now is unwarranted and is based on an unproven freshman. Last I checked, SC lost in the S16 as 1-seed last year, just like UT did. Beating the most underachieving program in the country for the last several years (Duke) changes none of this. Your team is overrated and overhyped. Live with it.

UConn will take SC to the shed, sad to say. I would love to see SC beat them ... but not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.

 

[armchair]

McGraw is a MUCH, much better coach than Warlick. Keep in mind that ND had little talent for years. McGraw won with coaching--and now she is getting serious talent.

A recruit's national ranking can mean everything or nothing. We have signed many players with high rankings who lacked the athleticism to be good/very good collegiate players. Zolman, Spani, Bjorklund, many others--some of this year's freshman. That's one issue. The other issue is coaching and the system you run. McGraw gets good production out of players who were NOT top ranked because of the offense she runs--ball movement, picks, players get open and make shots. UT does the opposite: We take top-ranked players and screw them up.

 

[reno tony]

I wonder how long it's going to take for people start bashing McGraw and Tara Vanderveer for being so successful but never bringing home a title. People are always comparing Holly to these coaches but no one wins championships except for UConn. Mulkey won 1 with Griner which is not very successful IMO.

Muffet McGraw won her N.C. in 2001 and she has got them to the N.C. game three of the last four years. Tar VanDerveer won a N.C. in 1990 (FF in Knoxville) and 1992 as well. She also coached the Olympic team to Gold in 1996. Kim Mulkey actually won two N.C.s as a coach and two as a player. Ones in 2005 and 2012 as a coach and 1981 and 1982 as a player. She also has an Olympic Gold as a player in 1984. All three have won rooms full of awards for their coaching so it may be many years before you hear any complaints. But I do agree with you on one point..... no one should be comparing Holly to these coaches.... so far she has nothing in common with them.

 

[ihateorange4]

I would think that since you are a visitor on this board you would understand that, for the most part, people here don't give two shakes of a rat's ass about your team one way or another. My statement had nothing to do with Tennessee. TN winning or losing games has nothing to do with SC being overrated or not. Sorry. Quit grasping for a strawman.

Yes, SC is overrated. And no, they haven't proven jack sh*t. Their ranking is dependent on them getting Aja Wilson, and I'm not sure why, because no matter how much ESPN wants to pimp her, she isn't a game-changing or program-changing type recruit. She wasn't really even a unanimous #1 recruit. Many people thought Turner and/or Mitchell were better. And whether you like it or not, much of the hype SC got before the season started and are getting now is unwarranted and is based on an unproven freshman. Last I checked, SC lost in the S16 as 1-seed last year, just like UT did. Beating the most underachieving program in the country for the last several years (Duke) changes none of this. Your team is overrated and overhyped. Live with it.

UConn will take SC to the shed, sad to say. I would love to see SC beat them ... but not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.

Pretty sure USC was preseason #2 because they returned all 5 starters and top 9 scorers from last year and added 4 5* recruits. They may win ugly sometimes but then again it's still early in the season and their getting their kinks out. I'll take a win against a ranked opponent any way I can get it and so far we've done that twice.

 

[YankeeVol]

ND has had a beautiful offense the last few years with beautiful cuts and movements. Not sure what happened last game.

McCallie is a horrible coach, and Staley has yet to proven she can coach an offense. Not the greatest company to be in if you're Holly.

SC has been overrated as hell all season long. They've proven about as much as we have.

They won the SEC last year(regular season). They're pretty good.

 

[volcrazy89]

Pretty sure USC was preseason #2 because they returned all 5 starters and top 9 scorers from last year and added 4 5* recruits. They may win ugly sometimes but then again it's still early in the season and their getting their kinks out. I'll take a win against a ranked opponent any way I can get it and so far we've done that twice.

LOL @ 4 5* players. I see you're looking at ESPN's hot mess of a ranking system where the top 50 players are 5*.

BTW, the only one of those players that is seeing signifigant minutes is Wilson. The rest are basically rotting away on the bench.

They won the SEC last year(regular season). They're pretty good.

Wow, really? I had no idea. :glare:

Never said they weren't 'pretty good'. Just don't see them as a top 3/5 team.

 

[gule]

they'll beat the Lady Vols by 20 points this year or more! that good enuff?

 

[rizla]

they'll beat the Lady Vols by 20 points this year or more! that good enuff?

Yeah, but could they beat a good team by 20?

 

[Smallvol#1]

Pretty sure USC was preseason #2 because they returned all 5 starters and top 9 scorers from last year and added 4 5* recruits. They may win ugly sometimes but then again it's still early in the season and their getting their kinks out. I'll take a win against a ranked opponent any way I can get it and so far we've done that twice.

I agree with your post. But one question. Why do you come on a UT board with that name? I came here from SC and just wondered; we generally aren't rude without serious provocation.