Beyond the Box: UNCG Edition

[zjcvols]

Each game that I watch, I'm going to take stats that don't show up in the box score offensively and defensively. This will tell us a little bit more about the game than just what the scoreboard tells us. If you have any questions, go ahead and ask.

Offensive Stats
Basket Attacks shots (Drive to the bucket): 18
Bad Shots: 12
Shots off screens/pick-n-rolls: 3
Points off backdoor cuts: 6
Post up opportunities: 6
Open Shots: 16
Put back points: 6

Defensive Stats
Post shots given up: 5
Contested Shots: 40
Easy baskets given up: 16
Forced Turnovers: 7
Shots opponent had with 10 seconds left or less on the shot clock: 2

My thoughts:

1. Tennessee gave up a lot of easy baskets because they killed us on the offensive glass. I thought outside the paint, we did a good job covering. We gave up 16 offensive rebounds. Inexcusable.

2. Getting 18 shots off drives surprised me a little. But that was a good number to see.

3. We only had six post up shots. I think Maymon should get that per game alone. That number needs to go up.

4. Our post players did a good job defensively. They only gave up 5 shots against UNCG post players.

5. Finally, only 12 bad shots were taken. That was an improvement by itself from last year. I thought the team took smart shots. And even with those bad shots, three or four of them went down anyways.

 

[Fingers]

Interesting stuff zjcvols. I look forward to reading more.

 

[LawVol13]

Is there any objectivity to your "bad shots" stat, or is it just shots you deem bad shots? Not a criticism at all, just asking.

 

[zjcvols]

Is there any objectivity to your "bad shots" stat, or is it just shots you deem bad shots? Not a criticism at all, just asking.

Mostly subjective, but there were a couple things that I did. Pull up three's with more than 10 seconds with the shot clock I considered bad shots. But mostly what I deemed a "bad shot".

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Great post OP, very interesting stats to track game by game. If you plan on continuing this throught the season it would be very cool if you would show our averages in the categories once the sample sizes get larger so that we can compare a game performance to our season average to see how these stats effect wins and losses.
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[zjcvols]

Great post OP, very interesting stats to track game by game. If you plan on continuing this throught the season it would be very cool if you would show our averages in the categories once the sample sizes get larger so that we can compare a game performance to our season average to see how these stats effect wins and losses.
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I got a new notebook and a spreadsheet set up to do this. I'm really excited about this project.

 

[sdowell]

first game. i didn't see much to ***** about. last year, every game, with the exception of a few, i always saw something to gripe about. big difference in coaching !!

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

I got a new notebook and a spreadsheet set up to do this. I'm really excited about this project.

Very cool zjc, I'll be looking forward to it.
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[LawVol13]

Mostly subjective, but there were a couple things that I did. Pull up three's with more than 10 seconds with the shot clock I considered bad shots. But mostly what I deemed a "bad shot".

Alright. Just a suggestion: I wouldn't count transition threes as bad shots (if you are). I think that's part of Cuonzo's philosophy. Other than that, sounds like you've got a good framework there.

 

[omghulkhands]

Each game that I watch, I'm going to take stats that don't show up in the box score offensively and defensively. This will tell us a little bit more about the game than just what the scoreboard tells us. If you have any questions, go ahead and ask.

Offensive Stats
Basket Attacks shots (Drive to the bucket): 18
Bad Shots: 12
Shots off screens/pick-n-rolls: 3
Points off backdoor cuts: 6
Post up opportunities: 6
Open Shots: 16
Put back points: 6

Defensive Stats
Post shots given up: 5
Contested Shots: 35
Easy baskets given up: 16
Forced Turnovers: 7
Shots opponent had with 10 seconds left or less on the shot clock: 2

My thoughts:

1. Tennessee gave up a lot of easy baskets because they killed us on the offensive glass. I thought outside the paint, we did a good job covering. We gave up 16 offensive rebounds. Inexcusable.

2. Getting 18 shots off drives surprised me a little. But that was a good number to see.

3. We only had six post up shots. I think Maymon should get that per game alone. That number needs to go up.

4. Our post players did a good job defensively. They only gave up 5 shots against UNCG post players.

5. Finally, only 12 bad shots were taken. That was an improvement by itself from last year. I thought the team took smart shots. And even with those bad shots, three or four of them went down anyways.

Great work here :good!:

 

[Velo Vol]

Pull up three's with more than 10 seconds with the shot clock I considered bad shots.

Even if the shooter is undefended?

 

[zjcvols]

Alright. Just a suggestion: I wouldn't count transition threes as bad shots (if you are). I think that's part of Cuonzo's philosophy. Other than that, sounds like you've got a good framework there.

Don't think I did tonight. But I'll keep that in mind. :hi:

 

[omghulkhands]

Alright. Just a suggestion: I wouldn't count transition threes as bad shots (if you are). I think that's part of Cuonzo's philosophy. Other than that, sounds like you've got a good framework there.

It wasn't long ago that UT was the transition three champion of the world

 

[zjcvols]

Even if the shooter is undefended?

Pull up three's usually mean there is a defender on you. But if he is unguarded (on the ground) then that wouldn't count. Also, if they got a pick and roll and took a three, and was not guarded, than that didn't count as a bad shot.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Mostly subjective, but there were a couple things that I did. Pull up three's with more than 10 seconds with the shot clock I considered bad shots. But mostly what I deemed a "bad shot".

I think the pull up 3's need to be reevaluated on the circumstances. Jmo. If its open, knock it down.

Nevermind. Looks like I was late.

 

[zjcvols]

I think the pull up 3's need to be reevaluated on the circumstances. Jmo. If its open, knock it down.

I was talking more about an iso situation and then the pull up three. I should have clarify more.

 

[zjcvols]

A couple of percentage breakdowns:

54% of UNCG shots were contested. When you considered that they got 16 offensive rebounds, that percentage is pretty good.

Tennessee had open/easy shots on 33% of their shots. That's another good percentage.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

Cool write up. It's nice to read some good stuff without all the haters cluttering up the board with nonsense. I'm sure they will be here in full force when we lose our first game though.

 

[OrangeVol79]

Good shots go in- bad shots miss- simple!

 

[OrangeVol79]

Great job- enjoyed

 

[zjcvols]

Thanks for all the compliments.

I'm going to add a couple things for next game:

Offensive possessions: I want to see how we get per game and see our pace. Also to see how productive and efficient our offense is.

Defensive possessions: To see how efficient our defense and if we are controlling the pace.

Block/Altered Shots: This will help tell how our help defense is this year. Also I'm curious to see how much our length affects this.

Put back points for the opponent: This will help tell how our rebounding is.

 

[LawVol13]

A couple of percentage breakdowns:

54% of UNCG shots were contested. When you considered that they got 16 offensive rebounds, that percentage is pretty good.

Tennessee had open/easy shots on 33% of their shots. That's another good percentage.

I'd really be shocked if 46% of Greensboro's shots were uncontested. That sounds wrong.

 

[zjcvols]

I'd really be shocked if 46% of Greensboro's shots were uncontested. That sounds wrong.

You're right, it was higher. I missed a set of tally marks. It was 63%. But they also had a lot of offensive rebounds that detered that mark.

 

[LawVol13]

You're right, it was higher. I missed a set of tally marks. It was 63%. But they also had a lot of offensive rebounds that detered that mark.

I see. I wouldn't factor in offensive putbacks or even post shots. When we're talking contested shots, we should be talking contested jumpshots.

 

[GetEmVols]

And it begins. Let's let the boy play a few games before we put him in the vol hall of fame