Beyond the discussion; where do you stand politically?

[hog88]

I completely agree with the irony aspect. How hard it must be to decide to work your butt off to win a seat at the table you inherently wish to dismantle.

But it can't be dismantled from the outside.

 

[McDad]

I question an organizations ideals when they won't put in the work to spread those ideals. The problem with the Libertarians is they like to (almost) preach about their ideals, their altruism and how bad the 2 main parties are. They deride people because they vote for one of the two parties candidates and come back with "it's not my fault, I didn't vote for either".

They are never going to be taken seriously until they start winning elected positions.

What's you take on Perot...how did he capture so much mainstream support? ...before he went off the rails, of course.

 

[utvolpj]

As someone more in tune with Libertarians than ever before, he makes a valid point. The ideals and concepts are better than our current 2 party corruption but if those ideals are not carried by someone seen as grounded or stable, then people are not going to have confidence in the ideals.
One thing the 2 parties understand is the image of a candidate. They work and hone that image so it is appealing to voters. We mostly vote for the person, not the person's agenda. 2016 with Trump is the notable exception when it comes to image. 2016 is the same old when it comes to voting for the person and not the ideas.

I'm not sure either party is allowed to use "grounded or stable" based on where we are right now

 

[McDad]

But it can't be dismantled from the outside.

Not without bloodshed.

Imagine you or me working hard to rise up through the ranks of EPA for the sole purpose of cutting it back 90%? I would rather listen to Hillary on a loop for 30 years.

 

[hog88]

What's you take on Perot...how did he capture so much mainstream support? ...before he went off the rails, of course.

He was a less bombastic and more savvy version of Trump is my only answer to that. I firmly believe that there is a huge cross section of our populace consisting of all races, economic standing and education that are sick to death of the same 'ol same 'ol cookie cutter career politician. I believe that was the case with Perot and it's only grown since then.

 

[McDad]

I'm not sure either party is allowed to use "grounded or stable" based on where we are right now

expand your assessment to the larger picture. There are fruitcakes and unpolished folks who manage to win. But for the most part we have a lot more Mitt Romneys than we do Trumps and AOCs. The imagery is polished, solid, grounded, stable...even if that isn't true in the candidate's life.

 

[McDad]

He was a less bombastic and more savvy version of Trump is my only answer to that. I firmly believe that there is a huge cross section of our populace consisting of all races, economic standing and education that are sick to death of the same 'ol same 'ol cookie cutter career politician. I believe that was the case with Perot and it's only grown since then.

That's a good take.

 

[hog88]

Not without bloodshed.

Imagine you or me working hard to rise up through the ranks of EPA for the sole purpose of cutting it back 90%? I would rather listen to Hillary on a loop for 30 years.

It would be impossible to work your way up high enough within a bureaucracy to affect change without being a true believer in it's mission and a hell of a politician. It has to come from the elected offices.

 

[TheDeeble]

Not without bloodshed.

Imagine you or me working hard to rise up through the ranks of EPA for the sole purpose of cutting it back 90%? I would rather listen to Hillary on a loop for 30 years.

We can't all be Ron Swanson. I'd be on board with a candidate that wants to dismantle govt from within and also promotes breakfast foods.

Kidding aside, I've never been a Democrat voter but Republicans are losing me by joining in with the love if deficit spending.

 

[lukeneyland]

I think our best hope is for the Republican Party to adopt some of the ideals of the Libertarians

 

[lukeneyland]

We can't all be Ron Swanson. I'd be on board with a candidate that wants to dismantle govt from within and also promotes breakfast foods.

Kidding aside, I've never been a Democrat voter but Republicans are losing me by joining in with the love if deficit spending.

That last part is my biggest grievance with Trump as well as interest rates

 

[hog88]

I think our best hope is for the Republican Party to adopt some of the ideals of the Libertarians

**** in one hand and hope in the other, which one will get full faster?

 

[Godfatha]

I think our best hope is for the Republican Party to adopt some of the ideals of the Libertarians

I agree, but it will never happen. Let's face it, there's too much money to be made for these guys with big government. Small government means less money to be made.

 

[lukeneyland]

I agree, but it will never happen. Let's face it, there's too much money to be made for these guys with big government. Small government means less money to be made.

That’s probably going to prove true. What astounds me is when Republicans yearn for prior regimes. Trump is almost a saint compared to the Bush duo

 

[OldVolMan]

I have said this before here, and I believe this more everyday that passes and the more that I study and learn our history up until the current events.
That is, that I can't align myself with either party, they are both evil and corrupt. In the past I was more Republican, but they are not standing up to the core values that I honor and respect. I really do not even know where they are, it is almost like they are in hiding. The only Repubs that you hear from now are the one's with their own agenda, and playing politics.

I can't support the Democrat party because first of all their push on abortion. But, Repubs did not really fight against abortion, they spun it like they were fighting, but they did not.
I strongly believe the Dems want to "fundamentally change our country," and not for the good. And, they are fighting harder to do that than the Repubs are to prevent it. That only means they are in on it also, have accepted the payoffs and sold us out.

Call me a conspiracy theorist all you like, does not bother me. I have spent many hours studying and following the money. With that, I truly believe that presidents are appointed and not elected. They are put in place by the controllers, it will be the person that best fits and agrees to their agenda. And, it could very well be as many believe at the Bohemian Grove as where all the leaders/controllers meet.

Face it, we live in an evil and corrupt world, with America being the worst. Sure, other countries are also, but why do the most evil want to come to America or be based in America? Ex; Epstein, Maxwell,..... and on and on. Because they know they can pay their way around our justice system and politicians.

I want to live in America because it has the greatest opportunities for a better life, but I am not naive to the risks and what goes on in most parts of it. I pray to stay safe here, I pray for our country, for our leaders to find and be led by God, for our children's future, and for our freedoms to be kept.

Sorry so long, but I am very passionate about it all. If you do not agree, I respect that.

 

[AM64]

We can't all be Ron Swanson. I'd be on board with a candidate that wants to dismantle govt from within and also promotes breakfast foods.

Kidding aside, I've never been a Democrat voter but Republicans are losing me by joining in with the love if deficit spending.

No politician has much choice on deficit spending now. Voters have figured out how to loot the treasury - it's just a matter of picking the "representatives" willing to plunder the treasury for them. Sometimes the "voters" aren't even the people who can cast votes, but the organizations that hold the cash necessary to run successful campaigns. Face it; getting elected today is largely marketing. That means getting people to believe and having others fund the marketing to reach the masses who have the votes.

Republicans aren't immune. The fiscal issue is still two parts - spending and taxation. Either way, the population is made up of cuckolded dupes. One group wanting to receive money for nothing and the other wishing to hold onto what they earned. Most of us here are of the second type and see the issue largely as spending money that we aren't willing to part with to make the other side happy. But there's that other side of us that also says "if he's getting it, I want mine, too"; and that can mean not a direct handout but ensuring federal dollars for infrastructure or whatever come our way as much as they would go to another state. It still all goes back to "representatives" and how they loot the treasury and our pockets to ingratiate themselves and stay in power.