Big report about to come out how Bama & Ga cheat

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rjd970 said:
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Good point

It’s also weird Rush is saying an AU coach from 15 years ago is an UGA bagman. If that’s the case, UT needs to say they were paying for UGA UF UA and AU. Throw in UK for the heck of it, SC and Vandy punish themselves by still playing football. Weirder that Rush picks the most unlikely candidate to take money.
 
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secking said:
Good point

It’s also weird Rush is saying an AU coach from 15 years ago is an UGA bagman. If that’s the case, UT needs to say they were paying for UGA UF UA and AU. Throw in UK for the heck of it, SC and Vandy punish themselves by still playing football. Weirder that Rush picks the most unlikely candidate to take money.
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You think none of the accusations are true?

What point are you trying to make. UGA doesn’t cheat?
 
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rjd970 said:
You think none of the accusations are true?

What point are you trying to make. UGA doesn’t cheat?
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All schools give perks. In this case, however, Rush is just trying to justify him paying players. He’s asking the guy in the recording for $2,000/mo to recruit players. He has to sell it, right?

You cannot find a less reliable person if you tried. Chubb has already said he’s full of it, Nall has already say he’s full of it, he doesn’t even know what Rush was talking about. Bama knows him better than anyone, notice Bama isn’t even giving him the time of day. He’s going to be fired again, owes hundreds of thousands of dollars to the IRS, owes everyone in Colquitt county that let him have stuff or money ‘on credit’. Rush is just trying to stay out of jail. Just be thankful Pruitt didn’t hire him.
 
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secking said:
You cannot find a less reliable person if you tried.
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Exactly. And Rush can't even claim to know anything first hand, because Bama and UGA don't sign his players. Since Saban got to Bama, the only player that either Bama or UGA has signed from one of Propst's programs was Josh Chapman in 2007, and Chapman had verbally committed to Mike Shula.
 
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secking said:
All schools give perks. In this case, however, Rush is just trying to justify him paying players. He’s asking the guy in the recording for $2,000/mo to recruit players. He has to sell it, right?

You cannot find a less reliable person if you tried. Chubb has already said he’s full of it, Nall has already say he’s full of it, he doesn’t even know what Rush was talking about. Bama knows him better than anyone, notice Bama isn’t even giving him the time of day. He’s going to be fired again, owes hundreds of thousands of dollars to the IRS, owes everyone in Colquitt county that let him have stuff or money ‘on credit’. Rush is just trying to stay out of jail. Just be thankful Pruitt didn’t hire him.
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Do you think none of the accusations are true?
 
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bamawriter said:
You didn't ask me, but I'm going to answer anyway: I don't believe that Propst knows whether or not his claims are true, and I'm certain he couldn't possibly prove any of it.
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So when he says GA and Bama are paying players between $90-100K, and Chubb received $180K to return for his senior season, he just made up those amounts?
 
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rjd970 said:
So when he says GA and Bama are paying players between $90-100K, and Chubb received $180K to return for his senior season, he just made up those amounts?
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He could have just blurted out whatever number he thought might convince the dude whom he was hitting up for money. Or he might well have heard it from someone else. Either way, I don't believe that Propst has any actual knowledge of the allegations he was spewing.
 
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rjd970 said:
Do you think none of the accusations are true?
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From Rush? I don’t think there is a person on this board that believes a word Rush says from his lies on here about JJ Peterson. Me personally, NO, I don’t believe a word that man says, he’s a con artist who is king of hyperbole who knows how to make stuff up. So, everything he said is not true imo.
 
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rjd970 said:
So when he says GA and Bama are paying players between $90-100K, and Chubb received $180K to return for his senior season, he just made up those amounts?
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I can’t speak for bamawriter, but how would Rush know? UGA doesn’t sign his players. I talk with HS coaches, they love to BS and gossip. Notice UGA started recruiting Colquitt RB After Rush was fired/left, that should tell you how much UGA thinks of Rush.
 
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bamawriter said:
He could have just blurted out whatever number he thought might convince the dude whom he was hitting up for money. Or he might well have heard it from someone else. Either way, I don't believe that Propst has any actual knowledge of the allegations he was spewing.
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Yup
 
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bamawriter said:
He could have just blurted out whatever number he thought might convince the dude whom he was hitting up for money. Or he might well have heard it from someone else. Either way, I don't believe that Propst has any actual knowledge of the allegations he was spewing.
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secking said:
Yup
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Sounds like you guys agree that the source of the information is bad, but that doesn't mean the information itself is bad.

A liar stating truthful information doesn't mean the the information is any less truthful.

Personally, I agree Propst isn't very trustworthy. But I also think everything he is saying is certainly believable.
 
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rjd970 said:
Sounds like you guys agree that the source of the information is bad, but that doesn't mean the information itself is bad.

A liar stating truthful information doesn't mean the the information is any less truthful.
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You're absolutely correct. An unreliable source does not eliminate the possibility of truthfulness. However, an unreliable source should be met with skepticism without corroboration rather than saying:

Personally, I agree Propst isn't very trustworthy. But I also think everything he is saying is certainly believable.
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You're willing to put skepticism aside because you want it to be true rather than having any good reason to believe that it's true.
 
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bamawriter said:
You're willing to put skepticism aside because you want it to be true rather than having any good reason to believe that it's true.
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Baloney. UGA's overnight warp drive recruiting when Kirby took over and since then, and Bama's history with NCAA compliance are certainly good reasons that the information is at least believable.

I'm skeptical of Propst. I'm less skeptical of the information itself.

That is why I keep asking if you guys really believe the information to be untrue and it is a constant pivot to how untrustworthy Propst is. I got it, he is a scumbag, and I agree. But do YOU believe the information to have any truth?
 
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rjd970 said:
Sounds like you guys agree that the source of the information is bad, but that doesn't mean the information itself is bad.

A liar stating truthful information doesn't mean the the information is any less truthful.

Personally, I agree Propst isn't very trustworthy. But I also think everything he is saying is certainly believable.
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Rush reminds me of most salespeople I've come across in life in that he's a great bulls**tter. Now, Rush is also a straight-up liar, but he's also a great bulls**ter. There's a difference. BSers have this tendency to talk about a topic that they know the gist of, but claim to know more specifics than they actually do, and have a way sounding really certain of what they are talking about even though their real level of certainty is probably less. They are great at saying things in a way where they can come back later and be able to claim they weren't lying to you. I'm even doing it right now - in the very first sentence I said "he's a great bulls**tter" when what I really mean is that in my opinion, he's a great bullshi**er. I don't know the guy from Adam.

For example, have you been talking to someone about a situation and they say something like "No, no, here's what happened..." before going into details? That person wasn't there themselves, and they aren't claiming that they were there. However, they are so confident in their salesmanship they'll say "here's what went down" but what they are really doing is giving their opinion of what they think happened. They aren't lying to you, because what they are saying is either technically factually correct or their opinion, but they say things in a way that might lead you to believing something that isn't true. It's kind of a sleazy, disingenuous way of communication, and every good salesperson I've come across in my life has that communication style.

I'm sure Rush has probably heard stories of guys getting paid $90-100k, so that's the price tag he mentions for Chubb. He probably heard through the grapevine, thinks, or suspects that Chubb got paid, but he says it in a way like he knows it for a fact.
 
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rjd970 said:
Baloney. UGA's overnight warp drive recruiting when Kirby took over and since then, and Bama's history with NCAA compliance are certainly good reasons that the information is at least believable.

I'm skeptical of Propst. I'm less skeptical of the information itself.

That is why I keep asking if you guys really believe the information to be untrue and it is a constant pivot to how untrustworthy Propst is. I got it, he is a scumbag, and I agree. But do YOU believe the information to have any truth?
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As you know I've said, over and over and over again, I absolutely believe that Alabama is paying players. And Georgia. And Tennessee. And Auburn. And LSU. And Florida. And ____________.

Do I believe these particular allegations? No. Why? Because of the source. And given that there is no corroboration, the source is 100% of what I have to go on to assess the credibility of the claims.
 
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rjd970 said:
Sounds like you guys agree that the source of the information is bad, but that doesn't mean the information itself is bad.

A liar stating truthful information doesn't mean the the information is any less truthful.

Personally, I agree Propst isn't very trustworthy. But I also think everything he is saying is certainly believable.
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Had he said almost anyone other than Chubb, then it would maybe give pause if that makes sense. But, I’ve known Chubb since he was in high school. As I’ve said with recruiting, nothing is ever 100, but I’d trust Chubb’s word over Rush a million times out of a million. And I still don’t know why UGA would use an Auburn coach to do its work, that doesn’t add up. I don’t believe (these) allegations.
 
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bamawriter said:
As you know I've said, over and over and over again, I absolutely believe that Alabama is paying players. And Georgia. And Tennessee. And Auburn. And LSU. And Florida. And ____________.

Do I believe these particular allegations? No. Why? Because of the source. And given that there is no corroboration, the source is 100% of what I have to go on to assess the credibility of the claims.
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Got it. So you believe there is zero truth to these allegations, outside of Alabama and UGA just doing the same thing everybody else is.
 
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