Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Forest People in Tennessee

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shoney said:
Well as a teacher I have heard about Bean Station being a good area. I had one student who swore he was seeing one in the tree line behind his house he even started leaving food for it. With lake and river access I think Grainger county would be a good place to look. Hint: the Poor Valley area at night.
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I live close to Bean Station and have never seen one or a foot print
 
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He said his "researcher" friend saw one recently & his wife was with him in awe & acting hysterical. They supposedly observed it for 10 minutes. 10 minutes & not one pic or any footage. Pretty compelling evidence...lol
 
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govols/cc said:
He said his "researcher" friend saw one recently & his wife was with him in awe & acting hysterical. They supposedly observed it for 10 minutes. 10 minutes & not one pic or any footage. Pretty compelling evidence...lol
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In a day and age where high definition and image stabilization are available to even the most cash-strapped bigfoot hunter, there is no excuse for either no pictures, or pictures of such low quality they require a giant leap of faith to assume they are anything but a walking bear.
 
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Vols520 said:
Exactly. Dude answer zero questions.

It's time to put up or gtfo.
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Eh, the guy didn't start the thread to convince anybody of anything so I don't see it as he actually "owes" anybody any answers. He believes what he believes and that's fine. I only stand by the stance that, as I type this, there is basically no verified reason for anyone to actually believe Bigfoot exists short of claiming personal interaction. (which is scientifically useless) He's basically said he accepts and wholly understands my position (and I'm guessing yours from your post) which is also fine.

That the overwhelming problem with Bigfoot is it's "everywhere yet nowhere" status is all but undeniable. I'd just like to hear (not necessarily from the OP, from anybody/anywhere really) a scientifically/logically viable explanation of how a breeding population of bipeds (that would be near the top of largest land animals on the continent) distributed all across NA and has frequent interaction (including sometimes violent interaction it's claimed) with humans can, somehow, escape definitive proof of existence. It makes for a really, really implausible situation unless one is willing to insert basically supernatural/alien influence. (not that there aren't those that probably posit that's the case)
 
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hndog609 said:
Eh, the guy didn't start the thread to convince anybody of anything so I don't see it as he actually "owes" anybody any answers. He believes what he believes and that's fine. I only stand by the stance that, as I type this, there is basically no verified reason for anyone to actually believe Bigfoot exists short of claiming personal interaction. (which is scientifically useless) He's basically said he accepts and wholly understands my position (and I'm guessing yours from your post) which is also fine.

That the overwhelming problem with Bigfoot is it's "everywhere yet nowhere" status is all but undeniable. I'd just like to hear (not necessarily from the OP, from anybody/anywhere really) a scientifically/logically viable explanation of how a breeding population of bipeds (that would be near the top of largest land animals on the continent) distributed all across NA and has frequent interaction (including sometimes violent interaction it's claimed) with humans can, somehow, escape definitive proof of existence. It makes for a really, really implausible situation unless one is willing to insert basically supernatural/alien influence. (not that there aren't those that probably posit that's the case)
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Well put. And let me just say, I actually think the idea of these things existing is VERY sexy! I mean who the hell wouldn't think it's damn cool if suddenly the existence of Sasquatch was proven? I'd be damn excited if one was actually captured. Hell I WANT it to be true and I think that's attitude of most people. No one here wants to actively deny the existence of these things. However until actual scientific evidence is found, what other choice do we have?
 
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hndog609 said:
Eh, the guy didn't start the thread to convince anybody of anything so I don't see it as he actually "owes" anybody any answers. He believes what he believes and that's fine. I only stand by the stance that, as I type this, there is basically no verified reason for anyone to actually believe Bigfoot exists short of claiming personal interaction. (which is scientifically useless) He's basically said he accepts and wholly understands my position (and I'm guessing yours from your post) which is also fine.

That the overwhelming problem with Bigfoot is it's "everywhere yet nowhere" status is all but undeniable. I'd just like to hear (not necessarily from the OP, from anybody/anywhere really) a scientifically/logically viable explanation of how a breeding population of bipeds (that would be near the top of largest land animals on the continent) distributed all across NA and has frequent interaction (including sometimes violent interaction it's claimed) with humans can, somehow, escape definitive proof of existence. It makes for a really, really implausible situation unless one is willing to insert basically supernatural/alien influence. (not that there aren't those that probably posit that's the case)
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You can subscribe to one of two approaches - they both attempt to reach the same goal. In reality, that goal is no different than Ericson who spent over $500,000.00 trying to muster enough evidence to convince people that they exist. What was his purpose -- very simply - to protect them and to make them an endangered people or species. So option 1 - see if you can get as much information out - so that enough people will be convinced that these people are real to provide them protection and do additional research.

Option 2 - of which I subscribe - try to release as little information as possible, have as few people as possible be aware of these people - so that we and they and their families can live in relative peace. Or have a few groups of the misinformed out collecting the occasional footprint as seen on TV.

To me option 2 is the best outcome, however many seem anxious to build a name for themselves by releasing all they know and hope to know about the forest people to stoke their own egos.

Are these ancient people descendants of Cain, descendants of Neanderthals, descendants of Gigantopithecus, or have they come from another planet? I have heard all of these explanations and honestly that is not the focus of my research. Do they possess supernatural abilities ? They have adapted and have developed better skills for surviving in their habitat than we have. We have adapted better skills for surviving in the city and on the farm than they have.

With regard to me, researcher may be too strong a word - as this is a hobby of mine, somewhere way behind golf. Having said that, I probably know a lot more than most and am currently advising people in Illinois, Oregon, Texas, and Tennessee about their sightings and interactions and I am one of 20 "official" field researchers for East Tennessee. I do think that more information will continue to "leak" out and eventually this will be considered more or less a normal topic of conversation.

Finally, I do want to thank those who have provided me with locations both publicly and privately and I hope you will continue to let me know about East Tennessee area sighting and habitats. Thanks,
 
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Option 3. There's no such thing & definitely no evidence that they do or ever have existed. I'll assume anybody who says they believe is either trolling or has lots of time to waste on such a farce. How can you claim to study something or say others have observed & studied yet have zero evidence to offer?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
If option 2 is what you think is best, then I fail to see why you even commented in this thread to begin with.
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To some extent I agree and thought about it as I was responding; it is a topic I am passionate about, and I purposely tried to avoid any specifics that might influence someone one way or the other.
 
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shoney said:
Well as a teacher I have heard about Bean Station being a good area. I had one student who swore he was seeing one in the tree line behind his house he even started leaving food for it. With lake and river access I think Grainger county would be a good place to look. Hint: the Poor Valley area at night.
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Would there be any way to contact this student or have this student contact me? This would be the type of contact and information that I am seeking.
 
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I saw a Bigfoot Scientist wearing a "Butch" shirt on FB. Odds that dude is on this forum?
 
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Fullfillmer said:
You can subscribe to one of two approaches - they both attempt to reach the same goal. In reality, that goal is no different than Ericson who spent over $500,000.00 trying to muster enough evidence to convince people that they exist. What was his purpose -- very simply - to protect them and to make them an endangered people or species. So option 1 - see if you can get as much information out - so that enough people will be convinced that these people are real to provide them protection and do additional research.

Option 2 - of which I subscribe - try to release as little information as possible, have as few people as possible be aware of these people - so that we and they and their families can live in relative peace. Or have a few groups of the misinformed out collecting the occasional footprint as seen on TV.

To me option 2 is the best outcome, however many seem anxious to build a name for themselves by releasing all they know and hope to know about the forest people to stoke their own egos.

Are these ancient people descendants of Cain, descendants of Neanderthals, descendants of Gigantopithecus, or have they come from another planet? I have heard all of these explanations and honestly that is not the focus of my research. Do they possess supernatural abilities ? They have adapted and have developed better skills for surviving in their habitat than we have. We have adapted better skills for surviving in the city and on the farm than they have.

With regard to me, researcher may be too strong a word - as this is a hobby of mine, somewhere way behind golf. Having said that, I probably know a lot more than most and am currently advising people in Illinois, Oregon, Texas, and Tennessee about their sightings and interactions and I am one of 20 "official" field researchers for East Tennessee. I do think that more information will continue to "leak" out and eventually this will be considered more or less a normal topic of conversation.

Finally, I do want to thank those who have provided me with locations both publicly and privately and I hope you will continue to let me know about East Tennessee area sighting and habitats. Thanks,
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I have BFRO t-shirt from Arkansas
Do you sell them for Tennessee, if so can you post a ;ink, and I'll buy one for me and my son
 
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My problem with Option Two is that it'll be one of the ignorant masses that stumbles upon these creatues someday(should they exist) and the lack of knowledge you claim to have yet fail to share will cause them to handle it in a way completely detrimental to the goals you claim you want accomplished.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
You can subscribe to one of two approaches - they both attempt to reach the same goal. In reality, that goal is no different than Ericson who spent over $500,000.00 trying to muster enough evidence to convince people that they exist. What was his purpose -- very simply - to protect them and to make them an endangered people or species. So option 1 - see if you can get as much information out - so that enough people will be convinced that these people are real to provide them protection and do additional research.

Option 2 - of which I subscribe - try to release as little information as possible, have as few people as possible be aware of these people - so that we and they and their families can live in relative peace. Or have a few groups of the misinformed out collecting the occasional footprint as seen on TV.

To me option 2 is the best outcome, however many seem anxious to build a name for themselves by releasing all they know and hope to know about the forest people to stoke their own egos.

Are these ancient people descendants of Cain, descendants of Neanderthals, descendants of Gigantopithecus, or have they come from another planet? I have heard all of these explanations and honestly that is not the focus of my research. Do they possess supernatural abilities ? They have adapted and have developed better skills for surviving in their habitat than we have. We have adapted better skills for surviving in the city and on the farm than they have.

With regard to me, researcher may be too strong a word - as this is a hobby of mine, somewhere way behind golf. Having said that, I probably know a lot more than most and am currently advising people in Illinois, Oregon, Texas, and Tennessee about their sightings and interactions and I am one of 20 "official" field researchers for East Tennessee. I do think that more information will continue to "leak" out and eventually this will be considered more or less a normal topic of conversation.

Finally, I do want to thank those who have provided me with locations both publicly and privately and I hope you will continue to let me know about East Tennessee area sighting and habitats. Thanks,
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If they can survive this long relatively unnoticed, assuming they are real, with 7 billion people on the planet, they don't need any help from you guys covering for them (option 2).

If anything, we are the ones in trouble.
 
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Fullfillmer, I have no info for you and haven't commented in this thread before. Personally, I have seen no evidence that this sect exists. But, as humans go, we have yet to uncover evidence of where we came from or why we're here. So, I don't dismiss anything. Good luck to you in your search. Would really like it to turn fruitful.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
To some extent I agree and thought about it as I was responding; it is a topic I am passionate about, and I purposely tried to avoid any specifics that might influence someone one way or the other.
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I appreciate the passion. I admit I do listen to Coast to Coast AM and they've had some pretty good guests on about this subject. While I don't really believe Bigfoot exists, I do find the subject very interesting and enjoy hearing the accounts of sightings.
 
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Weezer said:
My problem with Option Two is that it'll be one of the ignorant masses that stumbles upon these creatues someday(should they exist) and the lack of knowledge you claim to have yet fail to share will cause them to handle it in a way completely detrimental to the goals you claim you want accomplished.
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I'm thinking Strange Wilderness....
 
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Fullfillmer said:
You can subscribe to one of two approaches - they both attempt to reach the same goal. In reality, that goal is no different than Ericson who spent over $500,000.00 trying to muster enough evidence to convince people that they exist. What was his purpose -- very simply - to protect them and to make them an endangered people or species. So option 1 - see if you can get as much information out - so that enough people will be convinced that these people are real to provide them protection and do additional research.

Option 2 - of which I subscribe - try to release as little information as possible, have as few people as possible be aware of these people - so that we and they and their families can live in relative peace. Or have a few groups of the misinformed out collecting the occasional footprint as seen on TV.

To me option 2 is the best outcome, however many seem anxious to build a name for themselves by releasing all they know and hope to know about the forest people to stoke their own egos.
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I'm not sure these two options really cover much of the bigger issue, especially regarding Option 2. I've mentioned deep sea animals (giant squid in particular but any bathypalegic critter would do) previously for the express purpose of demonstrating how immensely easier it would be to obtain scientifically viable evidence of what would be one of the largest and most geographically widespread land animals in North America vs information about gulping eels or dumbo octopus. Only a microscopically tiny percentage of the population have access to the incredibly specialized equipment required to interact with animals 1k feet or more down in the ocean. Now THAT is a scenario where genuine control over what is and isn't revealed could be exercised by a relative handful of people. Of course, with discovery literally being the point of the endeavor these people tend to be rather forthcoming. In science if you don't claim a discovery someone else soon will.

In enormous contrast literally anybody with a smartphone is a possible candidate for being The Great Squatch Revealer. Hunters, hikers, bikers...people by the millions roaming around. Your very OP and it's solicitation for sighting references is testament to the randomness and perceived likelyhood of literally anybody bumbling into a Squatch. (Thus leading us back to the "everywhere yet nowhere" paradox) Unless there's some kind of Bigfoot "Men In Black" with neuralyzers zapping people's memories how could discoveries made about Bigfoot possibly be contained? Particularly considering the two big drivers for outing Bigfoot: scientific discovery and good old fame and fortune.

Scientific discovery-let's just all be honest for a moment and ponder what really, seriously, no BS discovery of a giant apelike hominid that's been living, invisible to science, for centuries in North America would mean. Whatever you're thinking it's probably too small. At least half the anthropologist in the world would need a stint in rehab if Bigfoot went legit. Being on the leading edge of REAL scientific Bigfoot (or whatever it's scientific name would turn out to be) research would make careers and etch names in books in perpituity. Yeah...that big a deal.

Fame and Fortune-this one is for everyone. Shoot one on a hunting trip, hit one with a car, find one that had a stroke while you're out on a hike, maybe even just come out with some hair that doesn't turn out to be Dynel or have Spot come back to the campfire with one hell of an odd looking jawbone. There's simply too many people out there looking with not only no reason to play coy with their discovery but enormous incentive NOT to keep findings on the Down Low.

It's not that I have much trouble at all accepting that you and others like you might take a more esoteric approach. Hell, I even rather understand what the thought process behind that might be. I do however have a bit of a problem accepting that regardless of how many Bigfoot proponets feel as you do your numbers would still be quite small in relation to the people described above. Perhaps not...but the math just doesn't work in my head that Option 2 is statistically relevant in the big picture.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Would there be any way to contact this student or have this student contact me? This would be the type of contact and information that I am seeking.
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I had 3 students who lived in the same area and they all three said there was one in the area. I don't feel comfortable putting students in contact with someone I don't know, sorry. I can tell you the area. Its Helton road and Bowen road off 11W, so I guess the area between these to roads is the place to look (the turn offs are only about 2 miles from each other when your on 11W). I also went to high school with a guy who told everyone there was a gorilla that lived behind his house, and he lived in the same area. We used to make fun of him. I'll see if the kid wants to summit a report on BFRO. This was 2 years ago when he told me this, he is now at a different school.
 
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