Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Forest People in Tennessee

[Fullfillmer]

https://richarddawkins.net/2013/03/sasquatch/

....something worth reading

No - not really. I am sure that certain scientists sat around writing critical papers when Columbus set out - idiot, fool, moron, liar, everyone knows the world is flat - why just look out the window and use your eyes - it must be flat.

I didn't see anything that scientifically analyzed or broke down what Ketchum did wrong to invalidate her research. Just some guys opinion. Next question - who is Richard Dawkins? Ketchum is closer to the mark than most realize imo.

 

[Volition 1.0]

No - not really. I am sure that certain scientists sat around writing critical papers when Columbus set out - idiot, fool, moron, liar, everyone knows the world is flat - why just look out the window and use your eyes - it must be flat.

I didn't see anything that scientifically analyzed or broke down what Ketchum did wrong to invalidate her research. Just some guys opinion. Next question - who is Richard Dawkins? Ketchum is closer to the mark than most realize imo.

Like Dawkins, I would be interested in seeing her published work.

To date, she refuses to publish it for peer review - a crucial, fundamental requirement for any legitimate scientist.

Science: she's doing it wrong. And so are you, unless this is just a fantastic trolling effort on your part.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

No - not really. I am sure that certain scientists sat around writing critical papers when Columbus set out - idiot, fool, moron, liar, everyone knows the world is flat - why just look out the window and use your eyes - it must be flat.

I didn't see anything that scientifically analyzed or broke down what Ketchum did wrong to invalidate her research. Just some guys opinion. Next question - who is Richard Dawkins? Ketchum is closer to the mark than most realize imo.

You can't scientifically analyze data that someone won't allow you to analyze.

And you don't know who Dawkins is?

 

[VolsSportsFan]

like dawkins, i would be interested in seeing her published work.

To date, she refuses to publish it for peer review - a crucial, fundamental requirement for any legitimate scientist.

Science: She's doing it wrong. And so are you, unless this is just a fantastic trolling effort on your part.

+10000

 

[Fullfillmer]

Like Dawkins, I would be interested in seeing her published work.

To date, she refuses to publish it for peer review - a crucial, fundamental requirement for any legitimate scientist.

Science: she's doing it wrong. And so are you, unless this is just a fantastic trolling effort on your part.

What can I tell you - I have outlined that I am not a scientist - but I have as much time in the woods as Dawkins. Ketchum is trying and although I haven't tracked it as closely as some -- at least she is trying.

My understanding is that she gathered 80 to 120 samples from across America and Canada - did her DNA sequencing - sent samples to other labs - then approached various scientific journals - all of whom refused to even look at her research and when her reputation was taking a whack and misinformation was flowing - she purchased a journal and released the information herself. Novel approach -- did she cross all the t's and dot all the i's? Probably not. Did it meet the standard applied to most samples and papers - probably not. She was stuck between a rock and a hard place -- where no one was going to see her research so she did what she did. Look what Sykes and the researchers at Cambridge or Harvard concluded -- their DNA resulted in a determination that there was an ancient giant Bear that never died out.

When you are dealing with scientists and "new" science or "undiscovered" science it often isn't discovered in conventional ways and through conventional processes. Nor does everything lend itself to a straightforward normal expected explanation.

What if I asked you and paid you to research Leprechaun's for the next two years. Next you actually discovered something - and wanted to tell the scientific community about your discovery. Would you or would you not be well received and would you get a fair hearing?

 

[govols/cc]

Without quoting you, neither leprechauns or Bigfoot (bigfoots? Bigfeet? Whatever) exist so it a moot point. If somebody gave me money to research either I would figure them for a quack job & pocket the money.

 

[Volition 1.0]

Not every nut job on the street gets published, as the link pasted below explains.

Basically, her research is flawed. Her evidence is contaminated. And she provides ZERO evidence supporting sasquatch's existence.

Bigfoot DNA Discovered? Not So Fast | Sasquatch, Yeti & Cryptozoology


"In an interview on the MonsterTalk podcast, Dr. Todd Disotell of the New York University Molecular Anthropology Laboratory dismissed the idea that Bigfoot could be a primate that arose as recently as Ketchum's DNA results claim: "If it's a primate that is so similar to us, that's only separated from us about 15,000 years ago, that's us," he said. "Even with people of European extraction, we've got 50,000 years of common ancestry since we left Africa." In other words, there is far more than 15,000 years of genetic diversity among ordinary humans, so the idea that something that split from our lineage would be as different from us as Bigfoot is absurd. It seems that the Ketchum Bigfoot DNA study, which was supposed to rock the world with its iron-clad scientific evidence of Bigfoot, is a bust, and tells us more about junk science than about the mysterious monster. Scientists will not be impressed, but Bigfoot believers might be; the report is available to the public for $30 from Ketchum's web site."

Her claims can easily be dismissed, because they are ridiculous from the get go.

I wonder, have you purchased her "report"? Or perhaps a better question - are you collecting random animal hair, labeling it as "sasquatch hair" and mailing it to her.

Bruh. Don't be a sucker. It's not too late to change.

First, you need to understand what real evidence is, and go from there.


From Facebook:
Dr. Melba Ketchum shared a link.

September 30

Thanks so much to those that continue to buy my books and make them a success. I'm doing a limited release of the second book. It's had one edit but still will go through a couple more. To buy it, here's the link:
https://www.createspace.com/4871599


"Mystic Forest: Memories" by Melba S Ketchum
www.createspace.com

 

[Volition 1.0]

Without quoting you, neither leprechauns or Bigfoot (bigfoots? Bigfeet? Whatever) exist so it a moot point. If somebody gave me money to research either I would figure them for a quack job & pocket the money.

Find a stranger to pick a few four leaf clovers with their bare hands and mail them to me.

I'll use their human DNA contamination to verify that leprechauns exist.

We'll write a book. I'll take the profit. You can evangelize for me.

Deal?

Oh, don't forget to like my Facebook page.

 

[govols/cc]

Without quoting your post before last you left something out. Even if you're able to discount the physical evidence, DNA etc, they're not ashamed to throw out some supernatural, sci-fi bs lol.

 

[Volition 1.0]

Without quoting your post before last you left something out. Even if you're able to discount the physical evidence, DNA etc, they're not ashamed to throw out some supernatural, sci-fi bs lol.

No doubt. I am convinced that some people simply don't understand the scientific process, and the difference between evidence and faith. They would rather believe something because it makes them happy, than use logic and reason.

I could make all sorts of claims using her same process:

Unicorns exist. I found some hair that isn't deer, bear or fox hair. Must be a unicorn!

Repeat for any mythical legend or creature.

Why don't unicorn carcasses exist? They turn into magic dust farts and blow away in the wind.

A buddy of mine knew a guy who saw one die. He said it was glorious.

 

[vol_in_ar]

Check out the Hot/Crazy Matrix for proof of Unicorns

 

[govols/cc]

No doubt. I am convinced that some people simply don't understand the scientific process, and the difference between evidence and faith. They would rather believe something because it makes them happy, than use logic and reason.

I could make all sorts of claims using her same process:

Unicorns exist. I found some hair that isn't deer, bear or fox hair. Must be a unicorn!

Repeat for any mythical legend or creature.

Why don't unicorn carcasses exist? They turn into magic dust farts and blow away in the wind.

A buddy of mine knew a guy who saw one die. He said it was glorious.

I would think the death of a unicorn would be anything but glorious.

 

[Volition 1.0]

I would think the death of a unicorn would be anything but glorious.

Perhaps. I'm just going on his subjective report.

 

[Fullfillmer]

No doubt. I am convinced that some people simply don't understand the scientific process, and the difference between evidence and faith. They would rather believe something because it makes them happy, than use logic and reason.

I could make all sorts of claims using her same process:

Unicorns exist. I found some hair that isn't deer, bear or fox hair. Must be a unicorn!

Repeat for any mythical legend or creature.

Why don't unicorn carcasses exist? They turn into magic dust farts and blow away in the wind.

A buddy of mine knew a guy who saw one die. He said it was glorious.

Oh ye of little faith. I know little of the scientific process or of getting published and pier reviews and I am not knowledgable enough to process Dr. Ketchums study nor do I care one way or the other whether people choose to believe or not. You are debating among yourselves. My goal is simply to find and research sightings in East Tennessee. It is a hobby of mine - I unfortunately don't get to spend enough time as I like pursuing. I am not pursuing proof for the masses. I view it as simply a mystery that I would like to solve - a personal quest if you will. I am not a scientist but I am extremely analytical. Based on everything I have learned and experienced i am now forced to believe that the forest people exist and I find it statistically impossible to conclude anything else. If you choose to believe otherwise - that's your prerogative - i have said I am not here to try to convince you otherwise. I know what I have witnessed, i know what I have heard, I feel confident in my friends accounts. No amount of articles will ever convince me otherwise. It's far, far too easy to be a critic, much harder to spend time and effort in the field actually investigating imo.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Oh ye of little faith. I know little of the scientific process or of getting published and pier reviews and I am not knowledgable enough to process Dr. Ketchums study nor do I care one way or the other whether people choose to believe or not. You are debating among yourselves. My goal is simply to find and research sightings in East Tennessee. It is a hobby of mine - I unfortunately don't get to spend enough time as I like pursuing. I am not pursuing proof for the masses. I view it as simply a mystery that I would like to solve - a personal quest if you will. I am not a scientist but I am extremely analytical. Based on everything I have learned and experienced i am now forced to believe that the forest people exist and I find it statistically impossible to conclude anything else. If you choose to believe otherwise - that's your prerogative - i have said I am not here to try to convince you otherwise. I know what I have witnessed, i know what I have heard, I feel confident in my friends accounts. No amount of articles will ever convince me otherwise. It's far, far too easy to be a critic, much harder to spend time and effort in the field actually investigating imo.

Actually it's far too easy to continue to make claims about what exists and what has been witnessed; it's far harder to actually prove it.

I still don't the point of you posting here if you really don't care about proving Bigfoot, convincing others, or what anyone has to say about it that doubts. You seem to get extremely defensive when someone posts something against what you believe on this matter, but when pressed on it you retreat back to your talk about how much you don't care about anything related to this that doesn't support your belief. You've done this at least 3 times now.

 

[Coastypop]

Actually it's far too easy to continue to make claims about what exists and what has been witnessed; it's far harder to actually prove it.



I still don't the point of you posting here if you really don't care about proving Bigfoot, convincing others, or what anyone has to say about it that doubts. You seem to get extremely defensive when someone posts something against what you believe on this matter, but when pressed on it you retreat back to your talk about how much you don't care about anything related to this that doesn't support your belief. You've done this at least 3 times now.

He post here because he wants those who have witnessed what they believe is a Bigfoot to let him know so he can investigate it. I think he has made that clear.

I have never seen one, so have nothing to add, He does not want to defend his actions or his post and that also is clear.

I am neither defending or challenging his position but trying to clarify it

 

[VolsSportsFan]

He post here because he wants those who have witnessed what they believe is a Bigfoot to let him know so he can investigate it. I think he has made that clear.

I have never seen one, so have nothing to add, He does not want to defend his actions or his post and that also is clear.

I am neither defending or challenging his position but trying to clarify it

Yes, he has said that, but his actions haven't made it clear. As I said, he does try to defend his actions and beliefs by responding to criticisms but then falls back to the "I'm not here to defend/prove".

 

[Fullfillmer]

Actually it's far too easy to continue to make claims about what exists and what has been witnessed; it's far harder to actually prove it.

I still don't the point of you posting here if you really don't care about proving Bigfoot, convincing others, or what anyone has to say about it that doubts. You seem to get extremely defensive when someone posts something against what you believe on this matter, but when pressed on it you retreat back to your talk about how much you don't care about anything related to this that doesn't support your belief. You've done this at least 3 times now.

It's easy to make claims about Jesus, God and say miracles happen here on earth - much harder to actually prove - yet I have a strong belief - and my proof wouldn't pass muster in a scientific journal or apparently with the erstwhile scientists on this site.

I have been in the woods 6 times in the past 20 years and on 4 of those occasions had experiences that defy what I previously thought possible or real. In all honestly, I was expecting absolutely nothing - and was surprised and perplexed when I found and experienced something. I would be spending all my free time golfing if that were not the case.

I have personally talked with witnesses into the hundreds in a third of the states in the US, Native Americans, doctors, lawyers - and yes a few red necks and good ole boys and "I" feel confident that they are not all liars and fabricators.

I have a family ( that think I am nuts ) a business to run and very little time to invest in this quest - yet I also have a thirst to do more and discover more. Some might call it a road less traveled.

I will tell you that I have in the past two weeks invested $30,000 + in hardware and software, will be hosting a site that will allow people to post their "blob squatch" pictures - only after they have been sufficiently vetted
by me and someone who works for me and we will see if we can capture anything interesting. I will neither be surprised if we do or if we don't.

If anyone knows of a graphic designer who will offer up free design work to assist in this endeavor - please point them my way.

I really don't see where the vitriol comes from - this is my quest/hobby - it isn't your quest. I have not asked you or anyone else to join my quest/or to take up my hobby. I have not asked for you or anyone else to believe what I believe. I think I in fact pleaded before I started to not be drawn into discussions such as this - " I was just looking for recent sightings in East Tennesse " "I am still just looking for recent sightings in East Tennessee."

 

[vol_in_ar]

govols/CC is your man

 

[govols/cc]

govols/CC is your man

For what? If I see one I'm gonna try my best to see if it dies as glorious as a unicorn. I may even record it.

 

[Coastypop]

Yes, he has said that, but his actions haven't made it clear. As I said, he does try to defend his actions and beliefs by responding to criticisms but then falls back to the "I'm not here to defend/prove".

Good point

 

[Volition 1.0]

This is some good troll.

Squatch trollin'.

That's good stuff.

 

[vol_in_ar]

For what? If I see one I'm gonna try my best to see if it dies as glorious as a unicorn. I may even record it.

for QC, to validate the info before it gets posted to his blog

 

[Coastypop]

Bump

 

[ainge10heisman]

Where art thou Fullfillmer? The word on the streets from all those cutthroat Squatchers is that he found a squatch family livin high in the mountains of East Tn. He killed the papa squatch, and now is living amongst them and raising the baby as his own. He now is working on breeding a half human/squatch and plans to sale it to the traveling circus.