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#101
#101
utvolpj said:
Regardless, it should have been a slam dunk answer
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It was.

Definition: Sure, certainly (used for emphasis).

He said it twice when asked.

Proud Boys is not a White Supremacist group. There is no shred of white supremacist dogma/beliefs from them, and they have members of every race. They have people of color as chapter leaders.

It was a cheap bait and switch to ask him to condemn white supremacists, ignore that he'd answered the affirmative twice, tell him to condemn a non-white-supremacist org as white supremacists, and then laud the fact that he didn't condemn white supremacist.
 
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#102
#102
Orange_Crush said:
It was.

Definition: Sure, certainly (used for emphasis).

He said it twice when asked.

Proud Boys is not a White Supremacist group. There is no shred of white supremacist dogma/beliefs from them, and they have members of every race. They have people of color as chapter leaders.

It was a cheap bait and switch to ask him to condemn white supremacists, ignore that he'd answered the affirmative twice, tell him to condemn a non-white-supremacist org as white supremacists, and then laud the fact that he didn't condemn white supremacist.
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He stammered and seemed a bit unsure of how to answer. That should have been prepped from the beginning to be delivered with the most emphasis. Instead he said to "stand by" which was likely a misspoken phrase but it came off as awkward and clumsy
 
#103
#103
utvolpj said:
He stammered and seemed a bit unsure of how to answer. That should have been prepped from the beginning to be delivered with the most emphasis. Instead he said to "stand by" which was likely a misspoken phrase but it came off as awkward and clumsy
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Proud Boys isn't a white supremacist group. Why are you claiming that he fumbled a comment on white supremacism by referencing a comment about the Proud Boys? That's part of the disingenuous nature of the conversation, as noted already.

Perhaps that had a lot to do with his being unsure how to answer. It's like being asked to comment on the taste of the color red. Being unprepared to answer that question reflects more on the one asking it than the one answering, no?

He clearly answered in the affirmative per condemning white supremacism. Twice. I linked the video. Neither Biden nor the "moderator" acknowledged it. They did the bait and switch.

You seem to want to hold Trump accountable for that.

Oh, and ETA... The question was about condemning white supremacist organizations and some vague category of "militia groups", which complicates the matter even more.
 
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#104
Orange_Crush said:
Proud Boys isn't a white supremacist group. Why are you claiming that he fumbled a comment on white supremacism by referencing a comment about the Proud Boys? That's part of the disingenuous nature of the conversation, as noted already.

Perhaps that had a lot to do with his being unsure how to answer. It's like being asked to comment on the taste of the color red.

He clearly answered in the affirmative per condemning white supremacism. Twice. I linked the video. Neither Biden nor the "moderator" acknowledged it. They did the bait and switch.

You seem to want to hold Trump accountable for that.
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I hold him accountable for an awkward answer that left any wiggle room. He was not prepared for a question that was guaranteed to be asked and it showed.

He either knows the PB or he doesn't and should have started there. Right or wrong, his answer made it appears he was covering for a group that was called racist by the moderator. Anyone prepared for the question would have absolutely slammed that door shut
 
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#105
utvolpj said:
I hold him accountable for an awkward answer that left any wiggle room. He was not prepared for a question that was guaranteed to be asked and it showed.

He either knows the PB or he doesn't and should have started there. Right or wrong, his answer made it appears he was covering for a group that was called racist by the moderator. Anyone prepared for the question would have absolutely slammed that door shut
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OK. So Trump is to blame for a supposed "moderator" in a presidential debate falsely demonizing an entire group of people as white supremacists with no evidence whatsoever, and lots of evidence to the contrary?

You do you.
 
#106
#106
Orange_Crush said:
OK. So Trump is to blame for a supposed "moderator" in a presidential debate falsely demonizing an entire group of people as white supremacists with no evidence whatsoever, and lots of evidence to the contrary?

You do you.
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No he's responsible for not being able to correct the moderator and slam home his point. He is responsible for bumbling his answers
 
#107
#107
utvolpj said:
No he's responsible for not being able to correct the moderator and slam home his point. He is responsible for bumbling his answers
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I see it completely differently, but whatever.

The way I see it, the "moderator" demonized an entire group of people. Trump answered in the affirmative of condemning the "thought/belief/ideals" of white supremacy. That wasn't good enough. They tried to force him to condemn a particular group (that isn't of that ideal, have I mentioned?)

Then, having condemned white supremacist ideals/beliefs, Trump asked Biden to condemn Antifa. Biden's answer? "That's not a group, it's an ideal."

Moderator: Well, that settles that.

It was pure agenda-driven toro caca, and it was clear to anyone except those with an agenda, or a low IQ.
 
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#108
utvolpj said:
No he's responsible for not being able to correct the moderator and slam home his point. He is responsible for bumbling his answers
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It was a weak response, but he condemned WS as asked. His real fault was thinking that his answer, in the context of him having already answered that question a million times prior to the debate, would be taken as a "no duh" response so that he could immediately launch back into attack mode with Biden pertaining to Antifa. He didn't emphasize his answer and beat it into the ground. Why should he? It was a stupid question and he gave it an appropriately dismissive answer. Some race obsessed imbeciles took that to mean he didn't condemn WP.
 
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#109
Orange_Crush said:
It was.

Definition: Sure, certainly (used for emphasis).

He said it twice when asked.

Proud Boys is not a White Supremacist group. There is no shred of white supremacist dogma/beliefs from them, and they have members of every race. They have people of color as chapter leaders.

It was a cheap bait and switch to ask him to condemn white supremacists, ignore that he'd answered the affirmative twice, tell him to condemn a non-white-supremacist org as white supremacists, and then laud the fact that he didn't condemn white supremacist.
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This is so true. They want him to start naming groups off the cuff. It was a dangerous trap. He definitely acknowledged those groups should be condemned. I have read up on the Proud Boys a little and from what I gather they were a drinking group that is proud of America and want to stand up against anarchy. The media appears to be trying to make them the focus of the riots to distract from Antifa, BLM and others. It's another cheap trick that confuse the lowly intelligent but Chris Wallace served them up.
 
#110
#110
Orange_Crush said:
It was.

Definition: Sure, certainly (used for emphasis).

He said it twice when asked.

Proud Boys is not a White Supremacist group. There is no shred of white supremacist dogma/beliefs from them, and they have members of every race. They have people of color as chapter leaders.

It was a cheap bait and switch to ask him to condemn white supremacists, ignore that he'd answered the affirmative twice, tell him to condemn a non-white-supremacist org as white supremacists, and then laud the fact that he didn't condemn white supremacist.
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Orange_Crush said:
Proud Boys isn't a white supremacist group. Why are you claiming that he fumbled a comment on white supremacism by referencing a comment about the Proud Boys? That's part of the disingenuous nature of the conversation, as noted already.

Perhaps that had a lot to do with his being unsure how to answer. It's like being asked to comment on the taste of the color red. Being unprepared to answer that question reflects more on the one asking it than the one answering, no?

He clearly answered in the affirmative per condemning white supremacism. Twice. I linked the video. Neither Biden nor the "moderator" acknowledged it. They did the bait and switch.

You seem to want to hold Trump accountable for that.

Oh, and ETA... The question was about condemning white supremacist organizations and some vague category of "militia groups", which complicates the matter even more.
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SamRebel35 said:
It was a weak response, but he condemned WS as asked. His real fault was thinking that his answer, in the context of him having already answered that question a million times prior to the debate, would be taken as a "no duh" response so that he could immediately launch back into attack mode with Biden pertaining to Antifa. He didn't emphasize his answer and beat it into the ground. Why should he? It was a stupid question and he gave it an appropriately dismissive answer. Some race obsessed imbeciles took that to mean he didn't condemn WP.
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He did not condemn and he was not affirmative in his answer.

Saying sure I will do something is not the same as ACTUALLY DOING IT.
 
#111
#111
k-town_king said:
He did not condemn and he was not affirmative in his answer.

Saying sure I will do something is not the same as ACTUALLY DOING IT.
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You're making a category mistake:

Saying, "Sure, I will give you $20" is not the same as answering "Sure" (twice) to whether you'll condemn white supremacy. One, no currency changed hands. In the latter, currency changed hands twice. They were trying to get him to alienate (what I perceive they think to be) a part of his supporters. Answering "sure" to doing it is the same currency.

And again... It was obviously lazy agenda, since he's repeatedly condemned white supremacy in the past.

But linking that video as well won't do any good with you.
 
#112
#112
k-town_king said:
He did not condemn and he was not affirmative in his answer.

Saying sure I will do something is not the same as ACTUALLY DOING IT.
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He didn't say "Sure I will do something". He was asked "are you prepared to condemn" and he answered "sure". The affirmative "sure" in and of itself is the denunciation. You and Chris Wallace are upset because he didn't sit there and give a long winded soliloque and antagonize over a very stupid question. Get over it.
 
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#113
Orange_Crush said:
You're making a category mistake:

Saying, "Sure, I will give you $20" is not the same as answering "Sure" (twice) to whether you'll condemn white supremacy. One, no currency changed hands. In the latter, currency changed hands twice. They were trying to get him to alienate (what I perceive they think to be) a part of his supporters. Answering "sure" to doing it is the same currency.

And again... It was obviously lazy agenda, since he's repeatedly condemned white supremacy in the past.

But linking that video as well won't do any good with you.
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He never did it.

So he kept saying "sure I will give you $20" He never actually gave it to you.


He said "sure I will." They said straight up then do it. say you condemn them. He would not.

He did not. He said "stand by."
 
#114
#114
Orange_Crush said:
You're making a category mistake:

Saying, "Sure, I will give you $20" is not the same as answering "Sure" (twice) to whether you'll condemn white supremacy. One, no currency changed hands. In the latter, currency changed hands twice. They were trying to get him to alienate (what I perceive they think to be) a part of his supporters. Answering "sure" to doing it is the same currency.

And again... It was obviously lazy agenda, since he's repeatedly condemned white supremacy in the past.

But linking that video as well won't do any good with you.
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SamRebel35 said:
He didn't say "Sure I will do something". He was asked "are you prepared to condemn" and he answered "sure". The affirmative "sure" in and of itself is the denunciation. You and Chris Wallace are upset because he didn't sit there and give a long winded soliloque and antagonize over a very stupid question. Get over it.
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This...
 
#115
#115
SamRebel35 said:
He didn't say "Sure I will do something". He was asked "are you prepared to condemn" and he answered "sure". The affirmative "sure" in and of itself is the denunciation. You and Chris Wallace are upset because he didn't sit there and give a long winded soliloque and antagonize over a very stupid question. Get over it.
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Sure I'm prepared is not the same as actively doing something.

He said sure I WILL. They said do it. He said stand by.
 
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#117
k-town_king said:
Sure I'm prepared is not the same as actively doing something.

He said sure I WILL. They said do it. He said stand by.
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Even if you won't take "sure" for an answer from the debate, why are you refusing to acknowledge that he's condemned WS in numerous televised/publicized interviews? Why the hell does he have to do it 10x over for you numbskulls? Hell, I'd wager half a year of my salary that if the man stood before you and looked you in your eyes and said "i condemn white supremacy", the first words out of your mouth would be how insincere it was.
 
#118
#118
bUTchLookin4Dimez said:
Even if you won't take "sure" for an answer from the debate, why are you refusing to acknowledge that he's condemned WS in numerous televised/publicized interviews? Why the hell does he have to do it 10x over for you numbskulls? Hell, I'd wager half a year of my salary that if the man stood before you and looked you in your eyes and said "i condemn white supremacy", the first words out of your mouth would be how insincere it was.
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Fact check: Trump shares White nationalist's video in retweet falsely blaming Black Lives Matter for 2019 subway assault - CNNPolitics

Trump 'white power' retweet: President thanks 'great people' shown in Twitter video - CNNPolitics

Opinion | Trump's retweets reveal a sneaky strategy for saying the unsayable

KUNG FLU

THE SUBURBS



Hmm wonder why
 
#120
#120
k-town_king said:
Fact check: Trump shares White nationalist's video in retweet falsely blaming Black Lives Matter for 2019 subway assault - CNNPolitics

Trump 'white power' retweet: President thanks 'great people' shown in Twitter video - CNNPolitics

Opinion | Trump's retweets reveal a sneaky strategy for saying the unsayable

KUNG FLU

THE SUBURBS



Hmm wonder why
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Exactly what I thought. You choose to ignore facts. All you shared was propaganda. If I post my own videos debunking those, would you even watch?

Edit: sharing opinions as "sources" should really be avoided in trying to debate fact vs fiction.
 
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#121
k-town_king said:
Fact check: Trump shares White nationalist's video in retweet falsely blaming Black Lives Matter for 2019 subway assault - CNNPolitics

Trump 'white power' retweet: President thanks 'great people' shown in Twitter video - CNNPolitics

Opinion | Trump's retweets reveal a sneaky strategy for saying the unsayable

KUNG FLU

THE SUBURBS



Hmm wonder why
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You and Trump obviously share something in common. Did you even read the articles you shared or just post them because of their click baiting headlines?

Directly from the cnn article:
"President Trump is a big fan of the Villages. He did not hear the one statement made on the video. What he did see was tremendous enthusiasm from his many supporters," White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere said in a statement.
 
#122
#122
Vol8188 said:
Those were two different things. The group he told to standby are not white supremacist.
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they are . no matter what self hating tokens they roll out

bUTchLookin4Dimez said:
Exactly what I thought. You choose to ignore facts. All you shared was propaganda. If I post my own videos debunking those, would you even watch?

Edit: sharing opinions as "sources" should really be avoided in trying to debate fact vs fiction.
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He debunked saying Kung Flu and China virus? (Both racist)

He debunked the racist suburb dog whistles that even Biden called him out on in the debate?

He debunked his retweeting White Supremacists?

He debunked saying in 2016 that the Central Park Five were guilty?

He debunked sayin "its not a right wing problem?"

Didn't think so
 
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#124
bUTchLookin4Dimez said:
You and Trump obviously share something in common. Did you even read the articles you shared or just post them because of their click baiting headlines?

Directly from the cnn article:
"President Trump is a big fan of the Villages. He did not hear the one statement made on the video. What he did see was tremendous enthusiasm from his many supporters," White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere said in a statement.
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So he is either an idiot or deaf and not a racist? That is your defense? lmao

It was the first thing anyone that saw the video heard.
 
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