Bob Stoops' Tennessee promotion will be at odds with his SEC analysis

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Big Oil Okie said:
Stoops' comments are always responses to questions - he's not going out of his way to make a point. Baby bro is HC at Kentucky, so he's not, IMO, doing this for fun. He's as honest as the come, for better or worse. I do know, unequivocally, there is a high respect amongst the fans, and I hope the coaches and team, as to what Tennessee is historically.

Maybe we're splitting hairs, but I don't think he is calling out individual programs, simply stating that from top to bottom, the SEC isn't full of world-beaters. No argument from me on who is the best conference. However, I do think that if Tenn moved to the Big 12, or Oklahoma moved to the SEC, by and large they would have any measurable difference in their annual records on average. That is what I believe his larger point is. Temple destroys Vandy, no mention. Iowa State loses to a FCS powerhouse (troubling, yes) and Finebaum is all over it. There is a double-standard and a bit of "propaganda" - hands up, don't shoot, as to what the rest of the country feels and sees. Look at A&M and Mizzou... average at best in the Big 12 and have been doing just fine in the SEC.

Not trying to start a flame throwing contest, I just feel Stoops' comments are being taken out of context for off-season debates. Let's just play some football now!

SEC team or not, I'm worried. Yes, we're 88-5 in Stoops' time, but we've lost 3 since 2011 to decent K-State and Notre Dame teams, and then a fluke in Tech to break our 6 year home winning streak. Tennessee has the athletes, and is on the rise. OU doesn't bring their A-game, they'll get beat. We had some injury scares last week, but I believe we'll be mostly healthy. That 21-point spread scares the hell out of me. Boomer.
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Welcome to the board. Beat Texas next month. :)
 
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Except on of those lower tier SEC teams (Tennessee) beat one of those upper tier SEC teams (South Carolina) last year... What a dumba$$
 
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Didn't really see anything wrong with the article. I think it's important to be realistic about how we measure up. Otherwise, we won't be able to map a clear path too success.

Sadly, we have been a bottom feeder in our conference for almost 10 years (in brutal honesty, we first began the dive in 2005). However, with another two years of top 5 recruiting classes and some stability, we'll climb our way out of this mess.

It sucks. But, just because it sucks doesn't make Stoops or the article's author wrong.
 
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Big Oil Okie said:
Stoops' comments are always responses to questions - he's not going out of his way to make a point. Baby bro is HC at Kentucky, so he's not, IMO, doing this for fun. He's as honest as the come, for better or worse. I do know, unequivocally, there is a high respect amongst the fans, and I hope the coaches and team, as to what Tennessee is historically.

Maybe we're splitting hairs, but I don't think he is calling out individual programs, simply stating that from top to bottom, the SEC isn't full of world-beaters. No argument from me on who is the best conference. However, I do think that if Tenn moved to the Big 12, or Oklahoma moved to the SEC, by and large they would have any measurable difference in their annual records on average. That is what I believe his larger point is. Temple destroys Vandy, no mention. Iowa State loses to a FCS powerhouse (troubling, yes) and Finebaum is all over it. There is a double-standard and a bit of "propaganda" - hands up, don't shoot, as to what the rest of the country feels and sees. Look at A&M and Mizzou... average at best in the Big 12 and have been doing just fine in the SEC.

Not trying to start a flame throwing contest, I just feel Stoops' comments are being taken out of context for off-season debates. Let's just play some football now!

SEC team or not, I'm worried. Yes, we're 88-5 in Stoops' time, but we've lost 3 since 2011 to decent K-State and Notre Dame teams, and then a fluke in Tech to break our 6 year home winning streak. Tennessee has the athletes, and is on the rise. OU doesn't bring their A-game, they'll get beat. We had some injury scares last week, but I believe we'll be mostly healthy. That 21-point spread scares the hell out of me. Boomer.
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I agree with some of what you say, and I also agree that there a good teams in the Big 10 and Pac-12, the one thing about Stoops point though is the bottom half of the Big 10 or Pac-12 did no better than the SEC record wise so the point kinda makes no sense in that respect. GO VOLS!!
 
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really liked what i saw of butch in his presser today. you got a good coach. ou was winning 3 or 4 games a year 1996-98 and needed a great young coach to come in and luckily we found one. hope butch gets you guys back soon too. just wait til 2016 if you dont mind
 
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Big Oil Okie said:
Stoops' comments are always responses to questions - he's not going out of his way to make a point. Baby bro is HC at Kentucky, so he's not, IMO, doing this for fun. He's as honest as the come, for better or worse. I do know, unequivocally, there is a high respect amongst the fans, and I hope the coaches and team, as to what Tennessee is historically.

Maybe we're splitting hairs, but I don't think he is calling out individual programs, simply stating that from top to bottom, the SEC isn't full of world-beaters. No argument from me on who is the best conference. However, I do think that if Tenn moved to the Big 12, or Oklahoma moved to the SEC, by and large they would have any measurable difference in their annual records on average. That is what I believe his larger point is. Temple destroys Vandy, no mention. Iowa State loses to a FCS powerhouse (troubling, yes) and Finebaum is all over it. There is a double-standard and a bit of "propaganda" - hands up, don't shoot, as to what the rest of the country feels and sees. Look at A&M and Mizzou... average at best in the Big 12 and have been doing just fine in the SEC.

Not trying to start a flame throwing contest, I just feel Stoops' comments are being taken out of context for off-season debates. Let's just play some football now!

SEC team or not, I'm worried. Yes, we're 88-5 in Stoops' time, but we've lost 3 since 2011 to decent K-State and Notre Dame teams, and then a fluke in Tech to break our 6 year home winning streak. Tennessee has the athletes, and is on the rise. OU doesn't bring their A-game, they'll get beat. We had some injury scares last week, but I believe we'll be mostly healthy. That 21-point spread scares the hell out of me. Boomer.
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Once they made the deal to join SEC their recruiting exploded. Aggies especially.
 
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I am really curious to see what OU would be ranked if they hadn't beat Bama..and as far as that goes everyone knows the only reason they won was because Bama plays for titles, not meaningless bowl games.
 
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I am afraid we might be overlooking Oklahoma as we are eyeing that date with the Dawgs!
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I am really curious to see what OU would be ranked if they hadn't beat Bama..and as far as that goes everyone knows the only reason they won was because Bama plays for titles, not meaningless bowl games.[/QUOT

I am not sold on BAMA. If you can run the spread and run it at a fast pace then you got a shot. Saban might be a genius at D but he is getting a failing grade trying to stop it. BAMA may have been disinterested in the bowl game but OU slapped them in the mouth and they could not respond. Even WVU gave them all the wanted this year.
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DeepSpringsVol said:
Once they made the deal to join SEC their recruiting exploded. Aggies especially.
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We will have to get a lot of breaks to stay in this game but I will be in Norman to watch either way. Football is a strange sport, just look at TX vs OU last year. We are every bit as good as the Longhorns and we are due. A turnover here or there and we may scare the hell out of them but if we turnover the ball it can get ugly quick!
 
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I really think we need to keep Oklahoma's offense on the field as much as possible. You guys would probably call me crazy, but I think that we can consistently hold them to < 5 yard plays with the right defensive scheme. We have speed at LB, and our DBs can hold their own. They'll get first downs, but if they continually poke down the field, we just have to get the big stops in the red zone. Let them chew up the clock and exhaust themselves, then hold them to FGs. Don't give up big gains. This will allow more time for our thin and young O-Line to rest and strategize. If our offense moves fast, yes that will give the defense less time to rest, but they are deeper and seemingly better conditioned. If the OL can just HOLD their blocks, we should be able to throw on OU pretty effectively. We probably won't produce much on the ground, and Worley is going to have to get the ball out quick... but if we win the turnover margin by two-- just a couple lucky breaks-- and control the pace of the game, I really think we have a chance. Granted, I'm giving us about an 8% chance of leaving Norman with a W.
 
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chad4930 said:
We will have to get a lot of breaks to stay in this game but I will be in Norman to watch either way. Football is a strange sport, just look at TX vs OU last year. We are every bit as good as the Longhorns and we are due. A turnover here or there and we may scare the hell out of them but if we turnover the ball it can get ugly quick!
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Oh I think we will be in the game come start of the 4th quarter. But while we are as good or better than Texas was. Scenarios are different. Neutral field fir Red River compared to home field for Sooners. Also rivalry games are always sketchy anyways. Plus I believe Red Rivalry is always an early game so you never know how players react compared to night games. That also serves for fans. I'm guessing the fans will be Crowder at 8pm than noon. But like you we have to play the game so who knows? It's never a paper played game. Guys have to settle this. Go VOLS!
 
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BigOrangeLoyalist said:
I really think we need to keep Oklahoma's offense on the field as much as possible. You guys would probably call me crazy, but I think that we can consistently hold them to < 5 yard plays with the right defensive scheme. We have speed at LB, and our DBs can hold their own. They'll get first downs, but if they continually poke down the field, we just have to get the big stops in the red zone. Let them chew up the clock and exhaust themselves, then hold them to FGs. Don't give up big gains. This will allow more time for our thin and young O-Line to rest and strategize. If our offense moves fast, yes that will give the defense less time to rest, but they are deeper and seemingly better conditioned. If the OL can just HOLD their blocks, we should be able to throw on OU pretty effectively. We probably won't produce much on the ground, and Worley is going to have to get the ball out quick... but if we win the turnover margin by two-- just a couple lucky breaks-- and control the pace of the game, I really think we have a chance. Granted, I'm giving us about an 8% chance of leaving Norman with a W.
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What you are describing is almost the precise formula OU has used to grind teams down and beat them. They have two fast strong backs averaging nearly 8 ypc, and another 245 pounder. If you want to let them, they will ground and pound you all day long. Then your offense will get forced to some 3 and outs, and then more pounding of your D . Then they get tired and it's over. But, thats why coaches condition so hard, so if they can hold up with stamina maybe there's some hope. if you can hold them to under 8 yards per carry.

vols avg 260 ypg in the air to utah state and arky state. What are they going to do with a team with real athletes? well, i guess we'll find out.but worley averaged 155 ypg last year, so I'll take that all day.
 
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