Boise St in the BCS Title game

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volinbham said:
Football is entertainment. Boise in the BCSCG would be entertaining

The BCS is a joke and we have no good way to determine the NC.

Let them play - if they win, they deserved it. if they lose, it shuts up the debate for another decade or so.

Let's not get all high and mighty about the "two best teams". It's a myth.
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This. Even as a big supporter of non-AQ schools, I'll admit I think Boise would (on average) lose by 10 or so to LSU. However, it's about time they got the chance to truly prove themselves and either shut everyone up or be shut up.

Really though, I'm just all in for the downfall of the BCS.
 
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grimvol said:
but what you fail to mention is Nebraska did not want to pay the million Boise was asking for...BUT Nebraska gave that money to some div 2 team to play them...hmmmm play Boise for a million or play some div 2 for the same price....you decide
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Why should Nebraska accept Boise States terms? They threw the offer up and its a great opportunity for Boise. They want credibility, its up to Boise to take it. Nebraska loses face for losing. what do they get for winning, nothing. Nebraska may not be the national power house program they used to be, but they are still a big program.
 
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I'm visiting the Blue Turf for the first time later this month when my Cowboys travel to Boise. I'm actually optimistic for the Cowboys to keep it close. UNLV who we beat by 40 points kept it close against Boise.

Honestly last year's Boise team was much better. Let's just hope Georgia keeps on winning :p
 
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CornPoke said:
I'm visiting the Blue Turf for the first time later this month when my Cowboys travel to Boise. I'm actually optimistic for the Cowboys to keep it close. UNLV who we beat by 40 points kept it close against Boise.

Honestly last year's Boise team was much better. Let's just hope Georgia keeps on winning :p
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Good luck in the game. I think Boise will win by however many they need. UNLV game was 27 point win. Hate that you guys beat Weber State. You know their coach announced his retirement yesterday. Great press conference. Hell of a guy.
 
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CornPoke said:
I'm visiting the Blue Turf for the first time later this month when my Cowboys travel to Boise. I'm actually optimistic for the Cowboys to keep it close. UNLV who we beat by 40 points kept it close against Boise.

Honestly last year's Boise team was much better. Let's just hope Georgia keeps on winning :p
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best of luck with that
 
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Slydell said:
Good luck in the game. I think Boise will win by however many they need. UNLV game was 27 point win. Hate that you guys beat Weber State. You know their coach announced his retirement yesterday. Great press conference. Hell of a guy.
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That's surprising. Was he forced out? Weber is a very competitive 1AA program. They sure gave us their best
TrueOrange said:
best of luck with that
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Thanks. It feels nice to finally see Wyoming be competitive again. Dave Christensen may be a total ******* but he is building something here. Something we haven't seen in a long time.

Bet of the week: Wyoming +13 vs. Airforce.
 
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CornPoke said:
That's surprising. Was he forced out? Weber is a very competitive 1AA program. They sure gave us their best


Thanks. It feels nice to finally see Wyoming be competitive again. Dave Christensen may be a total ******* but he is building something here. Something we haven't seen in a long time.

Bet of the week: Wyoming +13 vs. Airforce.
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No. He's done more for their program since going there than anyone. He used to coach at Utah State. He's been coaching for about 50 years. He thought it was time for him to move over and let someone else take the program further up the road. He made an arrangement to stay on in some capacity to help the guys that he recruited in whatever way he can. He's going to be there until they graduate. He said that he promised their parents that he would be there for them and he will be.
 
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milohimself said:
This. On a dollars and cents basis, Boise would have been stupid to take that deal.

As I said though, their one saving grace could be the reemergence of kickoff classics (which I absolutely love. It's like pre-season bowl games)


Basically. I think Boise has more reason not to move to the Big East, especially with the impending departure of WVU. They might retain AQ status because it doesn't get reevaluated for quite some time, but with their last two football programs that are even semi-relevant (Pitt and WVU) gone by next year, it wouldn't do anything more to boost Boise's BCS title hopes than they already get playing in the MWC. And even with Utah and BYU out, most already view the MWC as superior to the Big East.

So, sorry, Boise would not gain any more credibility by moving to a WVU-less Big Least.
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what if the Big East is able to add BYU (who ESPN reported they're talking with) along with Boise? What would be your view then?
 
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I dunno. That would put the big east at two good programs... and while I know that's what many sec fans say about the pac12, the bottom and middle are much better. Most of the BE on a season to season basis is horrendous.

Not only that, after this year the remaining teams could potentially be cincy, Louisville, Rutgers, and usf. Not exactly a solid bunch. Not sure who else was in talks other than Houston, smu and navy.
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milohimself said:
I dunno. That would put the big east at two good programs... and while I know that's what many sec fans say about the pac12, the bottom and middle are much better. Most of the BE on a season to season basis is horrendous.

Not only that, after this year the remaining teams could potentially be cincy, Louisville, Rutgers, and usf. Not exactly a solid bunch. Not sure who else was in talks other than Houston, smu and navy.
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the big report had UCF, Houston, and SMU for all sports

and Air Force, Navy, and Boise St for football


I have no idea how talking to BYU might effect one of these schools joining (and who it might be)
 
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I thought the Big XII was talking to BYU this whole time.

Aside from Boise State, those are all just nice mid-major teams who shouldn't really add any legitimacy to a conference's BCS AQ claims.

Even if they get all of them...

Air Force
Boise State
BYU
Cincinnati
Houston
Louisville
Navy
Rutgers
SMU
UCF
USF

Is anybody ready to put that on par with the Big 5 (ACC, Big Ten, Big XII, Pac-12, SEC)?
 
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Daloth said:
Or better yet, give them a shot, but only under the condition the following year they go independent and play the following schedule

@LSU
Home vs Oklahoma
@ FSU
Home vs Stanford
Home vs Alabama
@ West Virginia
Home vs SEC east champions
Home vs Georgia st/long island st/whoever
@ Pac 12 champion (assuming not Stanford)
Home vs Cincinatti (big east champ most likely)

Is that a hellacious schedule? sure.

Is it any harder than some SEC schedules? LSU/TN/Florida/Bama probably disagree
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I have to address this, because no one else has and it is patently ridiculous.

You have them playing the #1, #3, #4, #6, #7, #13, #15, and #23 team. Then two other teams that very respectable.

LSU - #1
Oklahoma - #6
FSU - top 40 team
Stanford - #4
Alabama - #3
West Virginia - top 40 team
South Carolina (inserted for "SEC East Champs") - #13
Georgia - #15
Oregon (inserted for "Pac 12 champ")- #7
Cincinatti - #23

There has never been a schedule in the history of CFB that has come close to being that difficult, and there never will.

To compare it to the teams you listed: LSU/TN/FL/Bama, LSU has the hardest ranked schedule. Who have they played?

Oregon - #7
Northwestern State - horrible team
Mississippi State - unranked
West Virginia - likely top 40 team
Kentucky - unranked
Florida - unranked
Tennessee - unranked
Auburn - #20
Alabama - #3
Western Kentucky - horrible team
Ole Miss - unranked
Arkansas - #8

LSU only played or plays the #3, #7, #8, and #20 teams. Compare that to #1, #3, #4, #6, #7, #13, #15, #23.
 
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AbsenteeTrojan said:
I have to address this, because no one else has and it is patently ridiculous.

You have them playing the #1, #3, #4, #6, #7, #13, #15, and #23 team. Then two other teams that very respectable.

LSU - #1
Oklahoma - #6
FSU - top 40 team
Stanford - #4
Alabama - #3
West Virginia - top 40 team
South Carolina (inserted for "SEC East Champs") - #13
Georgia - #15
Oregon (inserted for "Pac 12 champ")- #7
Cincinatti - #23

There has never been a schedule in the history of CFB that has come close to being that difficult, and there never will.

To compare it to the teams you listed: LSU/TN/FL/Bama, LSU has the hardest ranked schedule. Who have they played?

Oregon - #7
Northwestern State - horrible team
Mississippi State - unranked
West Virginia - likely top 40 team
Kentucky - unranked
Florida - unranked
Tennessee - unranked
Auburn - #20
Alabama - #3
Western Kentucky - horrible team
Ole Miss - unranked
Arkansas - #8

LSU only played or plays the #3, #7, #8, and #20 teams. Compare that to #1, #3, #4, #6, #7, #13, #15, #23.
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I think you were missing my hyperbole completely... But, that's perfectly alright. I didn't think anyone would take it seriously at all (which is probably why it had no comments.)

But, if I were to give them a respectable schedule, how do you decide which conference? the SEC has 3 ranked teams in the west, and has had up to 3 in the east at one time this year.

Tennessee actually has the hardest schedule of the schools I mentioned (they have power rankings for it) and they have played six teams ranked at one time or another (soon to be seven), and four of them in the top ten.

My point was this, if Boise wants to be considered, stop playing one hard game a year (which even that can be debatable), and join a conference or get a schedule that matters, because they have a lot of work to do to catch up to the real conferences and real teams in the country.
 
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Ill preface this by saying I am no Boise apologist. They have the worst kind of bandwagon fans imaginable and the sooner they go away the better it will make my life.

However;

Firstly, they do play at least one tough game a year, typically on the road. I invite you to look at their non conference slate this year and years past, and see where some of them finished in the rankings.

Secondly, and I brought this up earlier, it is highly unlikely they will ever get the shot to join a real conference or get a full years slate of tough games, and it has absolutely, 100% nothing to do with anything their football program has done. Their probelm is they wouldn't bring enough money to the table for any of the majors to even think about sending them an invitation. Moreover, the tough ooc games they can get all exist only as single road games with little or no compensation.

Basically, you have umpteen factors that are all non-football that will all likely keep Boise from ever competing for the national champipnship as long as there is no playoff in place.
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#44
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A one loss team should and will go over Boise State. Alabama lost to LSU, Oregon lost to LSU, if Stanford loses to Oregon... they potentially lost to a team that only lost to LSU. At 11-1... all of those teams should go over Boise State.

Obviously the PAC 12 is better than the MWC, right? Why should Oregon even bother scheduling LSU then? Their schedule is already better than Boise's. Just schedule San Jose State or something.

What about Penn State if they win out? I doubt they will but the Big 10 is better than the MWC also, so why schedule Alabama? Just go ahead and schedule Akron.

Oregon and Penn State are punished for scheduling LSU and Alabama if they go 11-1. That's on top of playing in the PAC 12 and Big 10. Boise State is going to be rewarded for beating Georgia? Gross.
 
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#45
#45
I wouldn't sweat it. In practice, there is no shot whatsoever for Boise or any other team not from a major league to compete for the national championship.
 
#46
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Teams like Boise State and TCU have the talent and coaching to win the championship. Utah probably could have in the past as well. It's just annoying that lots of people argue they should get a title shot for going undefeated. Oregon and Penn State would be undefeated right now too if they didn't play LSU and Alabama. Alabama would be undefeated if they weren't in the same conference as #1 LSU. I agree it's not Boise, TCU, Utah's etc. fault but while the system isn't fair to them, it wouldn't be fair to a 1 loss Oregon or Penn State either. Still a long ways to go for both but if either went 11-1(12-1 after conf. championship) why should they be left out for scheduling LSU and Bama? They would have just laid waste to a better conference than what Boise State faced.

But yeah... probably irrelevant. I think Ok St, Stanford, Bama, Oregon, Penn St, Oklahoma etc. is enough to keep Boise State out.
 
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milohimself said:
Your question was answered when Bama lost and stayed ranked ahead of Boise.
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True. We've seen that change though. Boise still plays TCU. And Wyoming I think? Both are like 6-2. Could still jump Bama. I'm more surprised by Bama being ahead of Stanford than Boise though. Stanford should jump Bama with an Oregon win and definitely should with a PAC 12 championship if they're 13-0.
 
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Actually, their next three are against the teams I think are the three toughest of their schedule outside of SEC East champs-to-be UGA.
 
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UTRavens said:
Am I the only one who's sick of all of the condescending garbage coming from BCS fans talking down to Boise? You can say what you want about them, but they beat the high profiles teams they face EVERY SINGLE TIME. There's something to be said for that. I get that they play a weaker schedule, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're not one of the two best teams in the country.
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Here's what's to be said for that:
1) They have ... not a regular game week, not a bye week and game week, but months and months to prepare for the 1 or 2 real games they play a year. Everything else is a glorified scrimmage.

2) They don't always beat "high profile" teams everytime they play. Since the OK v Boise Fiesta Bowl:
9/8/07 Washington 24 Boise 10
11/23/07 Hawaii 39 Boise 27
12/23/07 ECU 41 Boise 38

In 08, 09, 10 they played a total, total of 5 games against BCS teams. FIVE in three seasons. That's almost 1/2 of 1 season in a BCS conference, spread out over 3 years, with months between for preparation.

I'm not being, as you say, "condescending" at all, just equally as tired of hearing about them like they're world beaters.

You want them in the BCS game because evidently you think they deserve it.
I want them in the BCS game because I don't think they do, and want to see them get beat down by a superior SEC team, like LSU.

This is the point of this thread.
If LSU and Boise are the lone undefeateds (Houston aside), then by golly put them in ahead of a one lost whoever, and let's see how it unfolds.

Just makes for interesting conversation, doesn't it?
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