Bray impressive in KC

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RDU VOL#14 said:
True, but he sure didn't make him want to run through a wall for him.
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A player with heart and the desire to be successful does not intentionally throw a game, which is what Bray said he did by stating he did not want to go to a crappy bowl game. There is zero excuse for such actions.
 
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Biopsyman said:
He also did not make Bray play defense that game in which they ran about 6 different plays and had a WR playing QB
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The defense was gassed because the offense couldn't sustain a drive. Also, I don't believe Kentucky put up big numbers in that game and that the defense actually played pretty well.
 
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davethevol said:
Dooley was a crappy coach and human being, but he didn't make Bray throw the Kentucky game.
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I am sorry, but people who believe this load of crap have no idea what they are talking about.

A) it was not bray who said this statement.

B) Bray didn't let a horrible kentucky team score 37 freggin points on us.

C) Anyone who thinks a football player who is trying to make it to the NFL would throw a game over simply not caring about going to a sucky bowl game does not understand how much of a competitive personality a QB who makes it to the D1 level needs to have.

D) I happen to know for a fact that he most certainly DID WANT TO GO TO A BOWL GAME.... because he wanted to redeem himself over what happened at the MCB. He wouldn't talk to anyone for 3 days after that game because he was so pissed over how the team played.

E) It was Dooley who spread that rumor around because he was trying to throw the players under the bus in order to keep his job... (oh it wasn't my coaching, it was the players fault.. they didn't want to win that game)

F) If this was even remotely true.. it is still the coaches fault, because as soon as they saw he was trying to lose the game. They should have replaced him with someone else.
 
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I'm not surprised that Bray is doing well. He always had the size and arm talent to go a long way in his career. It was exciting to watch the spin and force behind the ball when he let it rip.

His immaturity stemmed from being young and being in a program with no accountability. I'm sure he can get his head on straight and capitalize on the huge talent he possesses. Hope he gets to see some meaningful NFL action one day.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
I am sorry, but people who believe this load of crap have no idea what they are talking about.

A) it was not bray who said this statement.

B) Bray didn't let a horrible kentucky team score 37 freggin points on us.

C) Anyone who thinks a football player who is trying to make it to the NFL would throw a game over simply not caring about going to a sucky bowl game does not understand how much of a competitive personality a QB who makes it to the D1 level needs to have.

D) I happen to know for a fact that he most certainly DID WANT TO GO TO A BOWL GAME.... because he wanted to redeem himself over what happened at the MCB. He wouldn't talk to anyone for 3 days after that game because he was so pissed over how the team played.

E) It was Dooley who spread that rumor around because he was trying to throw the players under the bus in order to keep his job... (oh it wasn't my coaching, it was the players fault.. they didn't want to win that game)

F) If this was even remotely true.. it is still the coaches fault, because as soon as they saw he was trying to lose the game. They should have replaced him with someone else.
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Kentucky scored a whopping 10 points on us, and Dooley wasn't the one "spreading the rumor." There were seniors on the team that leaked it to the media regarding Bray and Da'Rick throwing the game. There were indications that David Ricky was taken to the woodshed after the game by upperclassmen and then there's the fact that he wasn't allowed to be anywhere near the team for a few weeks. Bray was a punk, and hopefully he's matured, but I will never respect his achievements at UT for how he behaved.
 
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Bray was an immature, sulking head trip during his entire time at UT. A great talent who wasn't helped by his coaches. If he lost the KY game on purpose, he deserves our eternal scorn. Having said that I hope he has matured and has a good NFL career. I doubt he will ever be elected as President of the VFL club or even think that he wants to be a VFL. A sad chapter in the story of UT quarterbacks.
 
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utvols74 said:
Here is what I think about T Bray.

He was recruited by a notable head coach who had success at the upper level of CFB at USC. I'm sure traveling all the way from Cali to Knoxville was more than a little stresser for him (remember he's 19). He probably got into QB competitions with others and knew he was really good (at least physically). They guy who originally recruited him was also supposed to mentor him as a QB. Well, that didn't work out. That guy went back to Cali and Bray was left with...the bag. Then Fools comes in and basically wrecks the team morale and finally after having enough.....he breaks mentally and adopts a "who gives a ____?" attitude. Surrounded by enough adversity, that can happen to anyone.

I'm not defending him completely, but by the middle of his junior year TB knew his college career was "busting" and for all the wrong reasons. He knew that if he wanted to make it to the pros, he had to "just make it" to the combine and hopefully get drafted. That "just make it" attitude prompted a "survivalist" mindset and that is exactly what he did - survive. Do you have to go to a bowl game to survive? No.

The really sad part is that if he had David Cutcliff to coach/mentor/develop him - there is no telling where he'd be right now in terms of rotation on a NFL roster (and $ in the bank).
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I see your point on the early parts of this. The guy was only 18-21 years old too and dealing with the Barak Obama of football coaches. It is hard for anybody, much more so a young kid, to deal with an incompetent leader who he knows isn't taking him anywhere.

But, I 1000% agree with your assessment re Cut. Cut would have made Bray something impressive IMO. Cut absolutely knows how to coach QBs. Peyton wouldn't visit him every year at this stage of his career if he didn't think so.
 
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Gramps said:
A player with heart and the desire to be successful does not intentionally throw a game, which is what Bray said he did by stating he did not want to go to a crappy bowl game. There is zero excuse for such actions.
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I've heard this complaint by many on this board, but I watched the post game interviews and did not see him say any thing like that. I may have missed it, but I have not actually heard him say that. Seems to me someone actually made that comment about him, and it just stuck. Like a rumor or something. I apologize if incorrect.
 
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IIRC, the not caring about a crappy bowl game comment was Bray and Da'Rick's reason for slacking off at workouts and not watching film. Seems like Tiny and other players were vocally PO'd about it. I could be wrong. It's been a while, and I've tried to delete that season from my memory.

I wish Bray well in KC. Bray, Hunter and Da'Rick could have been something special here with a different coach and a different attitude.
 
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ddubb76 said:
I've heard this complaint by many on this board, but I watched the post game interviews and did not see him say any thing like that. I may have missed it, but I have not actually heard him say that. Seems to me someone actually made that comment about him, and it just stuck. Like a rumor or something. I apologize if incorrect.
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He was never quoted saying that.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
He was never quoted saying that.
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Thanks, didn't think so. Just Internet rumor IMO. Tyler is one of my favorites due to his skills, don't care that most fans are trying to find reasons we have sucked for so long they look for a scape goat and pin it on the starting qb of some bad teams. He never got into any serious trouble at tn and was very exciting to watch.
 
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220 Yards and 3 Touch downs... Impressive but put him against 1st string D and see what his numbers look like!
 
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Regardless of whether or not Bray ends up successful in the NFL or is just a career backup, the fact that our entire starting offense in Bray's final season has had at the very least a chance to make an NFL team, and the vast majority are on NFL teams, and we still only went 5-7 is just..I don't..wow.

Dooley and that defense sure were ****ing awful. We averaged over 30 points a game, and if our D had just been below average that year(and our HC wasn't a dunce), we would have won 8 or 9 games. Just mind blowing.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Regardless of whether or not Bray ends up successful in the NFL or is just a career backup, the fact that our entire starting offense in Bray's final season has had at the very least a chance to make an NFL team, and the vast majority are on NFL teams, and we still only went 5-7 is just..I don't..wow.

Dooley and that defense sure were ****ing awful. We averaged over 30 points a game, and if our D had just been below average that year(and our HC wasn't a dunce), we would have won 8 or 9 games. Just mind blowing.
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And likely we'd still have Dooley...God works in mysterious ways.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Looking forward to seeing bray light it up.. KC will not be able to keep him from starting for very long.
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