Brian Kelly gets called out for calling out.

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05_never_again said:
So? My point was that Notre Dame fans (and the national media) have an excessively lofty view of their program; loftier than Tennessee fans have of its program.
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Notre Dame played in the national championship game in 2013 (2012 season).

Tell me again about their lofty view of their football program? I especially like the part about how they haven't been good in so long.
 
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cherokeechief said:
Notre Dame played in the national championship game in 2013 (2012 season).

Tell me again about their lofty view of their football program? I especially like the part about how they haven't been good in so long.
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They had a good team that year, but there were a couple of games with questionable calls at the end that helped get them there. I wanna say Purdue was one, and can't remember the other. That year is about their only shining star lately.
 
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cherokeechief said:
Notre Dame played in the national championship game in 2013 (2012 season).

Tell me again about their lofty view of their football program? I especially like the part about how they haven't been good in so long.
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You're building a straw man. I said they were capable of having good seasons but can't compete for a national title every single year.

Since 1995, Notre Dame is 164-100 and has finished in the top 25 ten times. Over that same stretch, Tennessee is 178-90 and has finished in the top 25 twelve times. Tennessee has also won a national title since 1995; Notre Dame played for one.

My point stands that Notre Dame is "a" good program, not "the" program like it was 50 years ago. Over the last 20 years, Tennessee has been the better program, even with Tennessee having 4 losing seasons in a row from 2010-2013.
 
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Kelly caused the death of a student worker and covered up for a rapist and the ***holes that intimidated the rapist's victim to the point that she killed herself. As far as I'm concerned, he has the blood of two college students on his hands. I won't wish ill on anyone, but I can't help but smile every time something bad happens to him.
 
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Good Chance Brian Kelly winds up at USC before next season. Rumor is he wanted the job last round and was going to take it until he interviewed with the AD and realized they were not a good fit. That AD is gone now and USC will be looking.
 
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05_never_again said:
So? My point was that Notre Dame fans (and the national media) have an excessively lofty view of their program; loftier than Tennessee fans have of its program.
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According to Wiki Notre Dame ranks second in all-time wins. How is it again that ND fans have "excessively lofty" views of their program?

Notre Dame SHOULD have a loftier view of its program than Tennessee. When was the last time Tennessee was in the national title game?

All that beings said, I wish the quarreling shants would lose every single game from now until the end of time.
 
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cherokeechief said:
According to Wiki Notre Dame ranks second in all-time wins. How is it again that ND fans have "excessively lofty" views of their program?

Notre Dame SHOULD have a loftier view of its program than Tennessee. When was the last time Tennessee was in the national title game?

All that beings said, I wish the quarreling shants would lose every single game from now until the end of time.
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Outside of the rabid fans in their own fanbases, nobody really cares about National Titles that you won more than about 20-25 years ago. They are something that the school will be proud of forever, but they lose relevance for people outside of your program after that long. Most of the millennial fans (and kids you are recruiting) either weren't born yet or are too young to remember.

Notre Dame is one of many fish in the pond and a lot of their fans either can't or don't realize it. Knute Rockne, Ara P, and even Holtz have been gone for a long time now.
 
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05_never_again said:
Outside of the rabid fans in their own fanbases, nobody really cares about National Titles that you won more than about 20-25 years ago. They are something that the school will be proud of forever, but they lose relevance for people outside of your program after that long. Most of the millennial fans (and kids you are recruiting) either weren't born yet or are too young to remember.

Notre Dame is one of many fish in the pond and a lot of their fans either can't or don't realize it. Knute Rockne, Ara P, and even Holtz have been gone for a long time now.
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UT's recruits were born in 1998? Right?

UT's last title was when?

Tell me that story again about how Notre Dame's fan base should not have a loftier view of their program than Tennessee.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Good Chance Brian Kelly winds up at USC before next season. Rumor is he wanted the job last round and was going to take it until he interviewed with the AD and realized they were not a good fit. That AD is gone now and USC will be looking.
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Not a chance. I personally never heard that "rumor", but if I had I would have laughed at it. Kelly has no ties to USC, nor the West Coast. He's spent his entire coaching career in the Midwest, and that's where his recruiting ties are strongest.

But more importantly, with the way things are going, why would Kelly be attractive to USC?
 
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05_never_again said:
Notre Dame's last was in 1988. Which one is more relevant?
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Try to keep up here. Listen. You said recruits didn't care about titles before they were born. I noted 1998, your team's last title. Capiche?

Notre Dame has more history than UT. It's not even close.

Their fans have a right to have a lofty view of their program, which has much more history than Tennessee's.

Congrats. Your team is somewhat relevant for another two weeks or so. That still doesn't diminish the Golden Domers.
 
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cherokeechief said:
Try to keep up here. Listen. You said recruits didn't care about titles before they were born. I noted 1998, your team's last title. Capiche?

Notre Dame has more history than UT. It's not even close.

Their fans have a right to have a lofty view of their program, which has much more history than Tennessee's.

Congrats. Your team is somewhat relevant for another two weeks or so. That still doesn't diminish the Golden Domers.
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You must really, really want to argue - you're not even accurately summarizing what I said. You left out the word "excessively" I used before lofty. I never said they shouldn't think highly of their program.

My point this entire time is that ND is "a" fish in the pond now. Not "the" fish in the pond. A lot of their fans still think they are the only kid on the block and that any coach/player who would consider schools other than ND is insane. ND fans seem to think other fans hold their program in some sort of holy reverence because Knute Rockne or Ara Parseghian coached there - I think that sets them apart from most other schools. It's very Alabama-esque, except Alabama has actually been really good in contemporary times. Hence the "excessively lofty" characterization.

What is of more relevance to today's environment is the past 20 years or so, which, as I proved earlier, Tennessee has actually been the better program.
 
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Of most relevance, Tennessee is currently undefeated and ranked #11. Notre Dame is currently 1-3 and unranked after starting the season ranked in the top 10.

Notre Dame has done nothing for the past 25 years except find their way into a national championship game they had no business being in and getting absolutely annihilated.

There are few things I love more than watching ND and their slimy POS coach fall flat on their faces.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Notre Dame has done nothing for the past 25 years except find their way into a national championship game they had no business being in and getting absolutely annihilated.
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That's not really fair. Notre Dame was the only undefeated team in the country. Who else should have gone in over them?
 
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Otis07 said:
would coach Butch Jones want to follow Brian Kelly another to another school??
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Seriously. Replacing Brian Kelly three times? Just seems weird.

I guess he would know what to expect when he arrived, though.
 
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bamawriter said:
That's not really fair. Notre Dame was the only undefeated team in the country. Who else should have gone in over them?
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Notre Dame will always get the east coast bias.....if they win next week....they will believe that their 3-2 records will be deserving of a top 20.....
 
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bamawriter said:
That's not really fair. Notre Dame was the only undefeated team in the country. Who else should have gone in over them?
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I'm not arguing that point. ND in 2012 was a good team that took advantage of an easy schedule but they weren't even close to being on Bama's level. I don't think they should receive much credit for making it to that game and getting blown out.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I'm not arguing that point. ND in 2012 was a good team that took advantage of an easy schedule but they weren't even close to being on Bama's level. I don't think they should receive much credit for making it to that game and getting blown out.
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That's only kind of true. Unlike some of their upper-Midwestern counterparts (Ohio St, Michigan, etc.), they actually played a fairly strong schedule that year. They defeated 4 ranked teams (at Michigan St, Michigan, Stanford, at Oklahoma) and also played Miami, BYU, and USC who weren't great that year but are legitimate programs.

Having said that, the real national championship game that year was the SEC Championship Game.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's only kind of true. Unlike some of their upper-Midwestern counterparts (Ohio St, Michigan, etc.), they actually played a fairly strong schedule that year. They defeated 4 ranked teams (at Michigan St, Michigan, Stanford, at Oklahoma) and also played Miami, BYU, and USC who weren't great that year but are legitimate programs.

Having said that, the real national championship game that year was the SEC Championship Game.
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Michigan State eventually fell out of the rankings and Michigan ended the season ranked #24. Overall, they had a relatively easy schedule.
 
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