Brian Kelly- Most underpaid coach in America?

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allvol123 said:
Not there. No one would ever be satisfied going there repeatedly only to get your doors blown off everytime.
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Hell, at this point I'd be over the moon if Tennessee could do that. Wouldn't you?

Making the playoff to have your doors blown off is about as good as ND is going to get these days. I think their fans realize that now; none of their own fans even remotely suggest getting rid of Kelly because he can't beat Alabama or Clemson. That institution is not going to totally sell out for football like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, etc. are going to. The fact that they can make the playoff and finish consistently as a top 5/10 team is really impressive.
 
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05_never_again said:
Hell, at this point I'd be over the moon if Tennessee could do that. Wouldn't you?

Making the playoff to have your doors blown off is about as good as ND is going to get these days. I think their fans realize that now; none of their own fans even remotely suggest getting rid of Kelly because he can't beat Alabama or Clemson. That institution is not going to totally sell out for football like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St, etc. are going to. The fact that they can make the playoff and finish consistently as a top 5/10 team is really impressive.
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I dont find it impressive at all. The committee slid them in over A&M on their brand. They dont deserve to be there.
 
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allvol123 said:
I dont find it impressive at all. The committee slid them in over A&M on their brand. They dont deserve to be there.
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You mean they slid Ohio St over A&M on their brand. At least ND had an undefeated 10 game regular season.

BTW, by your standards A&M wasn't impressive either. Both ND and A&M had one big win and one big blowout against the good teams they played.
 
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allvol123 said:
I dont find it impressive at all. The committee slid them in over A&M on their brand. They dont deserve to be there.
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They went 1-1 vs. Clemson beat a strong North Carolina team and dominated their schedule. They deserve to be there.

Ohio State is the team that does not belong.
 
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05_never_again said:
You mean they slid Ohio St over A&M on their brand. At least ND had an undefeated 10 game regular season.

BTW, by your standards A&M wasn't impressive either. Both ND and A&M had one big win and one big blowout against the good teams they played.
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A&M plays in a better conference all the time. ND plays in a conference when it is convenient for them.

Barnes has built a Final Four caliber BB squad with high character guys. And TN basketball isnt near the brand that is ND football. I get tired of the idea that this is some Herculean task at ND. They can get into the playoff almost any year with 1 loss.
 
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JBVolunteer said:
They went 1-1 vs. Clemson beat a strong North Carolina team and dominated their schedule. They deserve to be there.

Ohio State is the team that does not belong.
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They beat Louisville 12-7 and Duke by 14. They didnt dominate their schedule.
 
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This year is a curious one in which to hate Notre Dame. They are independent, but joined the ACC so they could play a proper regular season. They went 1-1 against Clemson and played a 10-game regular season plus a conference title game. A lot of the reasons why people hate them weren't even applicable this year. If there was ever a year for ND to hold themselves out as "different" and worthy of special treatment, it was this one.

It would have been a classic ND move to try and play something like a 5 or 6 game regular season as an independent, then heavily tout themselves as being deserving of a CFP spot if they went undefeated. Ohio St filled that spot this year though.
 
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allvol123 said:
A&M plays in a better conference all the time. ND plays in a conference when it is convenient for them.
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So what, and that is irrelevant to this discussion because we're talking about just this season.

Ohio St played 6 freaking games and didn't have a single impressive victory.

You're using the "SEC" argument to vouch for A&M, which is fine, but wouldn't you agree that A&M played a bunch of junk this year too? How good was Vandy? Miss St? Arkansas? South Carolina? LSU? Tennessee? Yes, Tennessee plays in the SEC...so what? We absolutely suck.

Their second best win was a very pedestrian performance over a 6-4 Auburn team that canned their coach after the season. Against the good teams they played, they had one good win (Florida) and a blowout (Alabama). That isn't any different than ND, who both beat and got blown out by Clemson and whose second best win was over a pretty good North Carolina team.
 
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05_never_again said:
Who would your top 4 be? Alabama, Clemson, A&M, and (2 loss) Oklahoma?
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Idk, I'm conflicted on how this process all works. I dont believe ND is one of the best 4 teams. UF is better. UGA and OK would beat ND more times than not. Cincy may be better than ND.
 
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allvol123 said:
Idk, I'm conflicted on how this process all works. I dont believe ND is one of the best 4 teams. UF is better. UGA and OK would beat ND more times than not. Cincy may be better than ND.
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All that seems presumptuous. UF lost to LSU with a lot at stake; that is one of the most inexplicable, nut kick losses I've seen any team have in recent memory. I don't know if Georgia would score enough to beat Oklahoma. If you think who ND played wasn't impressive, look at who Cincy played. What was Cincy's best victory...Army? SMU? A nail-biter over juggernaut Tulsa in the conference title game?

Oklahoma really came on as the season went along and very well might be one of the 4 best teams today, but it is difficult to just write off how bad they looked early in the season. That loss to Kansas St torpedoed them; at least they redeemed themselves by beating Iowa St in the rematch, and Iowa St ended up having a really nice season so that early season loss to them doesn't look as bad.

If you wanted to replace Ohio St with A&M I would be on board with that given the resumes, although I think Ohio St is probably better than A&M. I know they are easy to hate (and I don't like them either), but ND deserved to be there this year.
 
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allvol123 said:
Idk, I'm conflicted on how this process all works. I dont believe ND is one of the best 4 teams. UF is better. UGA and OK would beat ND more times than not. Cincy may be better than ND.
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Most any top 10 team could potentially beat Notre Dame or Ohio State on any given day but I can’t logically conclude that a 3 loss Florida team or a Georgia team that lost 2 games by 16 and 17 points should get into the playoffs over the only 10-1 team to have beaten one of the other playoff teams.

Ohio State getting in with only 6 games is an abomination in my opinion and just further fuels my hatred for that school and the unreasonable favoritism they always seem to receive.
 
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JBVolunteer said:
Most any top 10 team could potentially beat Notre Dame or Ohio State on any given day but I can’t logically conclude that a 3 loss Florida team or a Georgia team that lost 2 games by 16 and 17 points should get into the playoffs over the only 10-1 team to have beaten one of the other playoff teams.

Ohio State getting in with only 6 games is an abomination in my opinion and just further fuels my hatred for that school and the unreasonable favoritism they always seem to receive.
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FL played Bama twice. I promise you ND would have 3 losses as well if they had played Bama twice.
 
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allvol123 said:
FL played Bama twice. I promise you ND would have 3 losses as well if they had played Bama twice.
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Well, If a team already had 2 cracks at the #1 team and lost both; do you really think they deserve a 3rd? It’s not a knock on Florida. They were great this season but they don’t deserve another shot.

The playoff committee should be basing their decisions on the games played; not hypotheticals. I expect they will lose but Notre Dame deserves their chance.
 
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JBVolunteer said:
Well, If a team already had 2 cracks at the #1 team and lost both; do you really think they deserve a 3rd? It’s not a knock on Florida. They were great this season but they don’t deserve another shot.

The playoff committee should be basing their decisions on the games played; not hypotheticals. I expect they will lose but Notre Dame deserves their chance.
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Is it about getting the 4 best teams in or not?
 
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allvol123 said:
That's convenient for them.

I believe the 4 best should play.
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That's my question. How do you define "best?" IMO, "best" and "most deserving" are not necessarily the same thing.

Ohio St is probably a better team than A&M, but I don't think Ohio St deserves to be there.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's my question. How do you define "best?" IMO, "best" and "most deserving" are not necessarily the same thing.

Ohio St is probably a better team than A&M, but I don't think Ohio St deserves to be there.
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Idk, but in no way would I believe ND is one of the 4 best teams.
 
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