Browns want Chip Kelly

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volstopfan14 said:
How is it gimmicky? It is a basic zone running game combined with quick passes and a playaction passing game. The offense is pretty basic, if you take away the tempo.

His record in bowl games and season openers isn't as bad as you make it out to be. He has lost 2 season openers and 2 bowl games. Out of those 4 teams, they had a COMBINED 3 losses in the season they beat Oregon. 3 of the 4 teams finished the regular season undefeated. It isn't like these are terrible teams he was losing to. And 2 of the 4 losses were in his first year, before he really got the great players for his offense.

IMO, the biggest factor in the games that Oregon has lost under Kelly has been line play. Their offensive line is pretty small and when they lose, it is usually because the opponents defensive line dominates (See Stanford this year, LSU last year, Auburn the year before that.)

In the NFL, Kelly will be able to go out and get bigger, stronger linemen who are still athletic enough to run his system, and you will see good results, IMO.
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You answered your own question.

When has Kelly not had great players for his offense?

I'm including their bowl game, and the first game of the season if they play a decent squad:

2011 vs LSU = 27 points vs Wisconsin = 45 points
2010 vs Auburn = 19 points
2009 vs BSU = 8 points vs tOSU = 17 points

This is a team that averages like 45+ per game, and in those 5 contests they averaged 23. KSU has an average D, so I'd expect Oregon to go for at least 35 tonight.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You answered your own question.

When has Kelly not had great players for his offense?

I'm including their bowl game, and the first game of the season if they play a decent squad:

2011 vs LSU = 27 points vs Wisconsin = 45 points
2010 vs Auburn = 19 points
2009 vs BSU = 8 points vs tOSU = 17 points

This is a team that averages like 45+ per game, and in those 5 contests they averaged 23. KSU has an average D, so I'd expect Oregon to go for at least 35 tonight.
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So if it is basic then it is gimmicky? Then I guess Mike Shanahan is just running a gimmick offense. I don't see what is wrong with keeping it simple. Even though it is simple, Kelly does an excellent job of gameplanning and keeping the defense off balance.

I would argue that the reason they lost is because their opponents had more talent and beat them at the line of scrimmage. In any offense, you aren't going to do much if your line can't get a push. Nick Fairley dominanted the BCSNC game. LSU's line won the battle against Oregon. This year, Stanford's defenive line dominated.

I don't think Oregon is getting out schemed. They are struggling (like any team would) when their offensive line can't win at the line of scrimmage. I think that will change if he goes to the NFL and has the resoursces to go build a dominant line.
 
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I'm defining "basic" as "simple". I do not think Shanahan's offense is simple. Chip Kelly's offense is pretty simplistic when compared to most college programs, let alone NFL. It's smart, but it's not all that complicated. He creates mismatches, and uses misdirection. I think NFL Ds are too smart, talented, and fast for that to work. In college there are a lot more mismatches to exploit than there will be in the NFL. Spurrier was all about finding the mismatch, but as he demonstrated they're not as easy to find in the pro ranks.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
I mean, really?
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look at RGIII and Vick, their mobile QB's who take alot of hits and their banged up by the end of the season..

no way a pro QB will take as many hits as a QB running Kelly's offense in college...If he tries it, his highest paid palyer is probaably only playing 12-13 games a year
 
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n_huffhines said:
you answered your own question.

When has kelly not had great players for his offense?

I'm including their bowl game, and the first game of the season if they play a decent squad:

2011 vs lsu = 27 points vs wisconsin = 45 points
2010 vs auburn = 19 points
2009 vs bsu = 8 points vs tosu = 17 points

this is a team that averages like 45+ per game, and in those 5 contests they averaged 23. Ksu has an average d, so i'd expect oregon to go for at least 35 tonight.
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lol
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm defining "basic" as "simple". I do not think Shanahan's offense is simple. Chip Kelly's offense is pretty simplistic when compared to most college programs, let alone NFL. It's smart, but it's not all that complicated. He creates mismatches, and uses misdirection. I think NFL Ds are too smart, talented, and fast for that to work. In college there are a lot more mismatches to exploit than there will be in the NFL. Spurrier was all about finding the mismatch, but as he demonstrated they're not as easy to find in the pro ranks.
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Kelly's offense is simple, but he is as good as an college coach in the country at gameplanning and giving the defense new looks.

Shanahan's offense was pretty simple this year. The running game was primarily outside zone and inside zone read. Passing game was mostly play action and quick stuff. Formations were mostly pistol. That is very similar to what Kelly does. Zone running game with play action and quick passes. Kelly's running game is actually more diverse and he uses more formations to confuse the defense.

Obviously, the big question is who is Kelly's QB? Shanahan had RG3 so that stuff works. This is really my primary concern. None of the QBs in the draft are runners. Brandon Weedon, Nick Foles, or Ryan Fitzpatrick aren't going to beat you on the ground. A guy like Kaepernick, Russell Wilson, or RG3 would have been perfect but obviously they aren't going to end up with Kelly. So who is he going to get to play QB?

A big reason Washington had success running the ball with Morris and throwing off of play action is the threat of RG3 to run. When you have a QB who can run, it changes everything because the offense now has a numbers advantage.

What you say is very valid. Obviously NFL defenses are going to be faster and it will be harder to create mismatches. However, people said that NFL defenses were too fast for it to work at all, but look at what Washington has done. The threat of a running QB, at a high tempo, and the zone read action puts a ton of stress on a defense.

I think he will find success if he can go to a team that will completely buy in and give him the offensive players he needs.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm defining "basic" as "simple". I do not think Shanahan's offense is simple. Chip Kelly's offense is pretty simplistic when compared to most college programs, let alone NFL. It's smart, but it's not all that complicated. He creates mismatches, and uses misdirection. I think NFL Ds are too smart, talented, and fast for that to work. In college there are a lot more mismatches to exploit than there will be in the NFL. Spurrier was all about finding the mismatch, but as he demonstrated they're not as easy to find in the pro ranks.
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Chris Brown at smartfootball.com talks about the simplicity of Oregon's offense all the time.
 
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Sometimes simplicity is not a bad thing. Back when Leach had his best season at Texas Tech, they only had like 5 or 6 plays on offense.
 
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phowell23 said:
Sometimes simplicity is not a bad thing. Back when Leach had his best season at Texas Tech, they only had like 5 or 6 plays on offense.
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Yeah, but in the NFL? I don't know about the present, but it was known that Manning on the Colts had the most simple playbook in the NFL, but it worked because they could change the play at the line of schrimmage and get the right play based on what the D is showing. In most cases I don't think simplicity works in the NFL. Teams adjust too fast.
 
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