BTO’s Vanderbilt Postgame Report

#51
#51
ZZ is developing in front of our very eyes.

While he had glimpses last year, he wasn't always consistent

This season, as of late, he's hitting threes and is becoming a true PG... notice how Santi is now hitting his threes?

If Key can get going and if Nkahmoua continues to emerge (I always have said Nkahmoua is a good player, just makes some stupid plays sometimes), this team will finish as a 1 seed.

Even Phillips is starting to get out of his funk
 
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SN-A-C Orange said:
Great writeup!!!!

3) Vanderbilt from the FT line was stellar 18-20, but we were better with 14-15 %wise .. there is a small disparity in number (5), but not a significant number.
I do not think that is why this was a closer game than expected.
Consider these tidbits ...
Vandy has been playing better ... they almost beat Missouri at their place, dropped the game 82-85 and Missouri is a decent defensive team.
The starting 5 for Vandy only scored 13 points!!!
I would say that our scouting of the Vandy starting 5 was fantastic and the bench players we might have overlooked in our preparation ... based on our overconfidence from the SC game.
Or perhaps their bench just had a stellar night. Bottom line we held them under their season averages.
This was a big game for Vandy, they were hungry. I thought this was the most physical team we have played in the SEC.
Robbins got away with a ton of stuff ... that went uncalled.... jumping into Aidoo, and setting nasty screens. [ I might be biased. :^) ]
5) Kentucky IS having a tough time ... they were down TWO starting players in their loss to South Carolina. Cason had back spasms - he has had them in the past.
They are struggling on the defensive end of the court, but rest assured that they are extremely talented - they have not put it together as a team.
However, they held SC to 29 points in the 2nd half ... that was a step in the right direction.
We should expect them to be on a mission on Saturday ... trying to prove that a 1-3 is not something that talented players and Calipari are going to accept.

Second game in a row Santi sat for 2 quick fouls .... and we still won.

Great game report ... keep up the excellent work!
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We got away with plenty, just ask Dane Bradshaw. The Z block that was called a charge, and when Nakaumwha grabbed the rim; that was an obvious goal tend.
 
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wtmvol said:
What happened last night wasn't "well before". The entire basket was shaking when the Vandy player shot it. That absolutely HAD to be goal tending.
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I guess the rub is the timing.

5. Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder.

He completed his action before the shooter began his shot action. A tech may have been in order but a dead ball before the shot.

It appears that vibration is anticipated with the following equipment rules.....

Art. 6. During game conditions, all movement (vibration, etc.) of the backboard (because of any type of dunk or similar play) must regain a static position within four seconds.

I would guess this to allow a 2nd dunk or other shot after a missed dunk attempt causing this same type movement rather than having to blow the play dead.

Hard to write rule books. Not all reasonable thoughts are supported by rules.
 
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walkenvol said:
Sometimes I wonder if ON has some type of endurance issue as he’s very often the last guy up the court and many times he’s walking?
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At some point, I have heard him say he has an issue with effort. I didn’t understand at the time exactly what that meant. Is it endurance, not being totally physically fit, health issue, or just not the motivation and tenacity? Who knows, but it‘s hard to see him constantly having that lack of energy/motivation/effort.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I guess the rub is the timing.

5. Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder.

He completed his action before the shooter began his shot action. A tech may have been in order but a dead ball before the shot.

It appears that vibration is anticipated with the following equipment rules.....

Art. 6. During game conditions, all movement (vibration, etc.) of the backboard (because of any type of dunk or similar play) must regain a static position within four seconds.

I would guess this to allow a 2nd dunk or other shot after a missed dunk attempt causing this same type movement rather than having to blow the play dead.

Hard to write rule books. Not all reasonable thoughts are supported by rules.
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The basket and backboard were most certainly "vibrating" when the ball was "on or within the basket/backboard" - that's what that rule means - not that the defender has to still be in the act of causing the basket to vibrate. Otherwise you could have somebody hanging violently on the rim right up until the other team shot the ball. That would be dumb.
 
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Vols till I fall said:
ZZ is developing in front of our very eyes.

While he had glimpses last year, he wasn't always consistent

This season, as of late, he's hitting threes and is becoming a true PG... notice how Santi is now hitting his threes?

If Key can get going and if Nkahmoua continues to emerge (I always have said Nkahmoua is a good player, just makes some stupid plays sometimes), this team will finish as a 1 seed.

Even Phillips is starting to get out of his funk
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Key is one of our better three point shooters. Still a little ahead of Vescovi overall.
 
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Vols till I fall said:
I think it'd cause Key has taken less shots.

I want Key to start being a scoring threat!
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Oh, I agree. The Gonzaga game kind of raised our expectations far beyond what we could reasonably expect. I think he’s a role player in deference to Santi, Julian, and a few others. I would be thrilled if he consistently put up 10 a game.
 
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wtmvol said:
The basket and backboard were most certainly "vibrating" when the ball was "on or within the basket/backboard" - that's what that rule means - not that the defender has to still be in the act of causing the basket to vibrate. Otherwise you could have somebody hanging violently on the rim right up until the other team shot the ball. That would be dumb.
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My reading of it is that that would be a technical foul. The goaltending rule wouldn’t apply because the contact was before the shot but a tech could be assessed if the hanging was deemed unnecessary for safety reasons.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
My reading of it is that that would be a technical foul. The goaltending rule wouldn’t apply because the contact was before the shot but a tech could be assessed if the hanging was deemed unnecessary for safety reasons.
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Where are y'all getting "technical foul" from? Basket interference or goaltending just awards the offense the points. Unless you're talking about hanging on the rim like an offensive player taunting after a dunk? I can honestly say I've never seen a defender get called for a technical for hanging on the rim.
 
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wtmvol said:
The basket and backboard were most certainly "vibrating" when the ball was "on or within the basket/backboard" - that's what that rule means - not that the defender has to still be in the act of causing the basket to vibrate. Otherwise you could have somebody hanging violently on the rim right up until the other team shot the ball. That would be dumb.
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I think that’s two variations. If hanging on the rim up until the shot then it might be covered by a hanging in the rim rule. Players can hang on the rim to avoid a potentially injurious fall. But there’s really no typical reason for a defender to ever hang on a rim. Hanging on the rim might always be a violation except right after a defender has contact with a dunking player.

The vibration causing contact might not be that violation. It could be continuing to create a vibration as the ball is in the cylinder and those other circumstances with the position of the ball. “Hitting” a backboard BEFORE the ball arrives might not be a violation.

So if ORN had smacked the crap out of the backboard (and also without hanging on the rim), but just before the ball arrived, then the refs might have gotten that call exactly right. Therefore no violation although the backboard could have been shaking when the ball got there a split second later.
 
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wtmvol said:
Where are y'all getting "technical foul" from? Basket interference or goaltending just awards the offense the points. Unless you're talking about hanging on the rim like an offensive player taunting after a dunk? I can honestly say I've never seen a defender get called for a technical for hanging on the rim.
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Or there’s no reason for a defender to ever hang on the rim so they’re never given a technical for it. If a defense is waiting on the other team to get the ball to the front court and a defender just decided to randomly hang on the rim, I would expect that he’d get a “T”.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
1. Be a shorter one tonight with the late finish…another solid win, Vanderbilt seems to play us tough and they did once again. Second half was much better for Tennessee and defense much more what we are used to seeing. The offense was pretty decent, it was the defense that struggled a bit against Vandys sets and a bit too much fouling, but again pulled out the victory.

2. Vescovi and Phillips with great games, thought Zeigler once again really controlled the offense and flow of the game, had 9 assists tonight, 8 & 10 the 2 games prior, that’s some really strong PG play from him. Tonight was a Plav game, 15mins 11pts 6rbd, it’s what’s I’ve mentioned recently, don’t have 1 elite big man but do have great big men. Different players and styles we can throw out there and tonight Plav played a really good game.

3. Kind of a funky game, final score most people will scratch their heads but we were good offensively and solid defensively, Vanderbilt went to the line 20 times and made 90% of them, that is why this was a ball game. We didn’t turn it over much, neither did they, they just kept things close by getting to the line.

4. Our offense actually rose on KenPom after tonight’s game, up from #31 nationally to #27, the overall defensive rating slipped but still holding strong as the #1 defense in the nation, overall keeping Tennessee at #2 behind Houston in KenPom’s rankings. Not worried much about the defense, but nice to see the offense continue to climb the rankings, remember Top 20 in both tends to be the sweep spot.

5. We are now 4 games into the SEC state and Tennessee has started 4-0 as I said they ideally needed to do to start the year. They got the benefit of a soft schedule start and taking advantage was paramount, they did just that. A struggling Kentucky team comes to town Saturday and if it was any other team I would say no reason we shouldn’t be 5-0, but can’t ever dismiss Kentucky. It’s Lofton jersey day and hoping the good mojo is in the air for the Vols and they honor him by beating the Cats, 5-0 start to league play sure would feel nice.

GBO!!!
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Phillips really flashed tonight. When he is on, he is a highlight reel!
 
#70
#70
Sea Ray said:
We sure didn't get home cooking from the refs. Vandy shot far more FTs than we did
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I didn't think it was heavily imbalanced for one team or the other. It was just bad all around. Both ends of the court. But SEC basketball officiating just isn't good, so I've come to expect poor performances from the stripes.
 
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The 2 most egregious misses were in our favor, but I'm pretty sure Robbins was moving on every screen he set the entire game. He also for whatever reason got the star player whistle like Pippen Jr would. That was bizarre...
 
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Vanderbilt is a much better team than their current record indicates. I think they will do well in the SEC play. Both of their losses were hard fought on the road and they have played best as of late. With the conference being down outside of Bama and us, they could end up competing for a top 4 spot.
 
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#74
#74
Hbg said:
Good job, ZZ has played really well but I personally would like to see him dribble less
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I’d like to see him cut out the low percentage attempts at the Sports Center highlight reel passes. Fine after the opponent has been put away or if it’s legitimately the best option in the situation. But an alley-oop attempt early in the shot clock with a low percentage finisher on the other end in a close game is a really bad decision.

I don’t mind him dribbling a lot if he’s not making turnovers. Pulling a double team as that happens means somebody is unguarded. But, as ZZ dribbles around near the hoop he almost never finishes with a made basket. I thought that he had one late last night but the 7 foot Vandy defender came in and swatted it away. Hopefully as he gets better he will draw more fouls driving to the rim and also finishing more often.
 
#75
#75
bleedingTNorange said:
1. Be a shorter one tonight with the late finish…another solid win, Vanderbilt seems to play us tough and they did once again. Second half was much better for Tennessee and defense much more what we are used to seeing. The offense was pretty decent, it was the defense that struggled a bit against Vandys sets and a bit too much fouling, but again pulled out the victory.

2. Vescovi and Phillips with great games, thought Zeigler once again really controlled the offense and flow of the game, had 9 assists tonight, 8 & 10 the 2 games prior, that’s some really strong PG play from him. Tonight was a Plav game, 15mins 11pts 6rbd, it’s what’s I’ve mentioned recently, don’t have 1 elite big man but do have great big men. Different players and styles we can throw out there and tonight Plav played a really good game.

3. Kind of a funky game, final score most people will scratch their heads but we were good offensively and solid defensively, Vanderbilt went to the line 20 times and made 90% of them, that is why this was a ball game. We didn’t turn it over much, neither did they, they just kept things close by getting to the line.

4. Our offense actually rose on KenPom after tonight’s game, up from #31 nationally to #27, the overall defensive rating slipped but still holding strong as the #1 defense in the nation, overall keeping Tennessee at #2 behind Houston in KenPom’s rankings. Not worried much about the defense, but nice to see the offense continue to climb the rankings, remember Top 20 in both tends to be the sweep spot.

5. We are now 4 games into the SEC state and Tennessee has started 4-0 as I said they ideally needed to do to start the year. They got the benefit of a soft schedule start and taking advantage was paramount, they did just that. A struggling Kentucky team comes to town Saturday and if it was any other team I would say no reason we shouldn’t be 5-0, but can’t ever dismiss Kentucky. It’s Lofton jersey day and hoping the good mojo is in the air for the Vols and they honor him by beating the Cats, 5-0 start to league play sure would feel nice.

GBO!!!
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Gave up 68 points. Fahr Barnes!!
 
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