Bullish on the Vols this year and beyond

#26
#26
My only issue with the hurry up offense is that it really wears down defenses. Our defense may struggle heavily with this system. I hope that I am not wrong.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Dobbs was great...but so were other guys who played for CBJ. The fact that the talent was there but we still mamaged to piss it away is what ultimately cost him his job.


The RB who is 4th on the UT all-time yadage list played on that offense as well.

The DE who holds a sack record for UT ( cant recall if its season or career) played on a Jones defense.


Why are these guys so quickly dismissed as non-contributors?
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In my opinion, Jones was fired because he was a "used car salesman" level fraud who got found out in the locker room. Jones was a carnie who got outed. He is already using the same approach at Arky State. Dobbs was - in my opinion - one of the best, and perhaps one of the most underrated college qb's to every play in the SEC. Without doubt he saved Jones from being run much sooner.
 
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OrangeEtBlanc said:
Excellent analysis. I, too, feel we are going to surprise some people this season.

What always bothered me about Chaney’s (& Butch’s before him) offensive system is how many horizontal plays were run. Countless were the WR screens and swing passes for marginal gain or great loss. Creative vertical plays to get guys open seemed rare or nonexistent. Both run & pass plays took forever to develop, and JG was unfortunately too hesitant and slow to capitalize on any opportunities. I really hope what you said about the Briles/Heupel philosophy is true and we see a difference this year.

I think we exceed expectations and sneak into a 7-8 win season.

Must Wins (4/4):
BG
TN Tech
South Alabama
Vandy

Toss-Ups (2/4):
Pitt
Mizzou
UK
South Carolina

It’d Be Nice (1/4):
Ole Miss
Georgia
Florida
Bama

I think at least 6 wins is a good expectation for this year, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we win as many as 8...or as few as 5.
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Ole Miss is a toss up too. Their defense gives it up more than a Nymphomaniac at sausage convention....and they lost another starter from last season to injury.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Dobbs was great...but so were other guys who played for CBJ. The fact that the talent was there but we still mamaged to piss it away is what ultimately cost him his job.


The RB who is 4th on the UT all-time yadage list played on that offense as well.

The DE who holds a sack record for UT ( cant recall if its season or career) played on a Jones defense.


Why are these guys so quickly dismissed as non-contributors?
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Wasn't looking to dismiss Hurd or Barnett but I still think that QB is what makes or breaks Jones' system.

Barnett was all time sack leader. Broke Whites record of 32 in 3 years. He was a special talent.

Agree that pissing that talent away is what cost Jones his job.
 
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volbound1700 said:
My only issue with the hurry up offense is that it really wears down defenses. Our defense may struggle heavily with this system. I hope that I am not wrong.
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If the y average 40–45 points a game, we will win a lot of games @nd the de tense will improve as this and other seasons come and go.
 
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Jaws said:
Maybe. Depends on defense.

I can see 8-4 again, I can also see 10-2.
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We've got our own issues, but it's weird how random circumstances work out. If not for Chip Kelly spurning Gators and opting for UCLA, UF would probably be close to being on the coaching carousel again, and we'd have Mullen. Though, I'm not all sold on him but think he's good enough at UF to maintain a certain level of success, and at the time, he seemed like he had alot of Butch quirkiness, and not sure he'd have worked in Knoxville.
 
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There is enough offensive firepower at WR/RB…especially if it gets gelled and clicking at the QB position…to beat the 4 OOC as well as Kentucky, Mizzu, Vandy, and South Carolina. Heupel is 2-0 against Kiffin so that could be a real shoot out. Winning 8 games is not as far fetched as some make it out to be…IF the offensive side of the ball gets hot.
 
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We’ve had stints in the last 13 years of offensive minded teams. 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016 which hinges on the play of the quarterback. Bray and Dobbs were both above average quarterbacks but neither one had a great defense. We gotta have both. As for stability and give him 4-5 years no matter what, if Heupel starts getting embarrassed in non competitive blowouts, no one is safe on Rocky top, nor should they be.
 
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OrangeEtBlanc said:
Excellent analysis. I, too, feel we are going to surprise some people this season.

What always bothered me about Chaney’s (& Butch’s before him) offensive system is how many horizontal plays were run. Countless were the WR screens and swing passes for marginal gain or great loss. Creative vertical plays to get guys open seemed rare or nonexistent. Both run & pass plays took forever to develop, and JG was unfortunately too hesitant and slow to capitalize on any opportunities. I really hope what you said about the Briles/Heupel philosophy is true and we see a difference this year.

I think we exceed expectations and sneak into a 7-8 win season.

Must Wins (4/4):
BG
TN Tech
South Alabama
Vandy

Toss-Ups (2/4):
Pitt
Mizzou
UK
South Carolina

It’d Be Nice (1/4):
Ole Miss
Georgia
Florida
Bama

I think at least 6 wins is a good expectation for this year, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we win as many as 8...or as few as 5.
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You hit it on the head. I think 6-6 most likely, 5-7 or 7-5 very probable.

I do think we have the potential to “catch lighting in a bottle” and get to 8…..but 5-7 to 7-5 is my expectation. Anything less is a huge disappointment and anything more is a huge positive
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
I think that is a reasonable spread for the Gators this year. I just need them to beat Georgia......as much as I detest the Gainesville Lizards, I always pull for them against Georgia. That group of entitled fans is sickening, and hopefully headed to another year of underachievement.
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Agreed. I have grown to dislike Georgia more than anyone else on our schedule.
 
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njvols said:
We've got our own issues, but it's weird how random circumstances work out. If not for Chip Kelly spurning Gators and opting for UCLA, UF would probably be close to being on the coaching carousel again, and we'd have Mullen. Though, I'm not all sold on him but think he's good enough at UF to maintain a certain level of success, and at the time, he seemed like he had alot of Butch quirkiness, and not sure he'd have worked in Knoxville.
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Good points. And arguably, Florida wanted Scott Frost ahead of both Kelly and Mullen. That one also may not have ended well for UF. Personally, I think Mullen has done a helluva good job especially considering the size of the rebuild he had. Florida was an absolute mess when he showed up.
 
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I hope Heupel can move the bar here, however in each year as head coach at UCF the team got worse. That is not a good sign.
 
#44
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patrick said:
I hope Heupel can move the bar here, however in each year as head coach at UCF the team got worse. That is not a good sign.
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It also isn't true unless you really want to create a trend line using 2020.

I watched another game over the weekend to get more of an idea about his O. The announcers in that game made the point that they had several opt outs and most of them on D. In that particular game, they were missing three defensive starters in addition to the opt outs.

His offensive system worked even with opt outs and having to replace players. His D didn't hold up.

From a statistical and "play" point of view, the first two years were consistent. They lost 3 games in '19 by a total of 7 points. They lost to Pitt by one. A ranked Cincy team by 3. The only truly "bad" loss was to Tulsa who finished 4-8.

I'm not saying he walks on water much less that he will succeed. Even if he's "great" the odds are stacked against him because of competition and where the program is now. But there's no "downward trend" established by his time at UCF.
 
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OrangeEtBlanc said:
Excellent analysis. I, too, feel we are going to surprise some people this season.

What always bothered me about Chaney’s (& Butch’s before him) offensive system is how many horizontal plays were run. Countless were the WR screens and swing passes for marginal gain or great loss. Creative vertical plays to get guys open seemed rare or nonexistent. Both run & pass plays took forever to develop, and JG was unfortunately too hesitant and slow to capitalize on any opportunities. I really hope what you said about the Briles/Heupel philosophy is true and we see a difference this year.

I think we exceed expectations and sneak into a 7-8 win season.

Must Wins (4/4):
BG
TN Tech
South Alabama
Vandy

Toss-Ups (2/4):
Pitt
Mizzou
UK
South Carolina

It’d Be Nice (1/4):
Ole Miss
Georgia
Florida
Bama

I think at least 6 wins is a good expectation for this year, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we win as many as 8...or as few as 5.
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Keep in mind that Kiffin and Co. were dead last in the conf. last yr. on Defense.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
If the y average 40–45 points a game, we will win a lot of games @nd the de tense will improve as this and other seasons come and go.
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It did not work for Chad Morris, Mike Leach most of last year, Derek Dooley, etc. There have been plenty of offenses that got flattened by the SEC. I am not confident we can put 40-45 points up against most of the SEC Defenses (sure perhaps against Missouri or Vandy).
 
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