Burqas and jihad go hand-in-hand.

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I find the characterization of his mouth to be blatantly manipulated and racist.
 
#28
#28
You're a blatant racist, and a jackass. Your life must be pathetic.

Taking into account your vast personal knowledge
concerning jackasses, that is one weighty post
on this topic.

It is also a blatant violation of board rules concerning
respect of other poster's opinions and avoiding name
calling.

Why don't I 'report'?

Does me no good, the left leaning monitors on this
board will ignore the reports if they are true to their
track record thus far.

Since I can't reply in kind to you without possibility,
even probability, of a temporary ban, just let me say,
in short:

:moon2:







I'm not riled up at all, it's just funny that people like this are allowed to post on here when I've seen others get banned for cursing out a rival fan over a loss. But it is what it is, he must have a very sad existence.

Why are you even posting on this board? :loco:

Get banned from the Vandy board for name calling???

Why can't you post on the topic instead of taking cheap
personaly shots that always try to characterize one's
whole life of which you know not one thing?




im surprised im not banned, he is actually quite jovial
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And it is plain to see just who can't take a joke in this
equation!! :)

No joke, the following is quite lengthy but very concise
and informed well worth taking the time to read.

I am including some excerpts and may it be known to
the monitors that I am not in violation of copyright law
as I am excerpting far less than is permissable under the
law and am giving credit to the original source.

Bernard Lewis: Pied Piper Of Islamic Confusion

(Best debunking of Bernard Lewis to date, I am going to
save this for future reference.)

Lewis’s legacy of intellectual and moral confusion has greatly hindered the ability of sincere American policymakers to think clearly about Islam’s living imperial legacy, driven by unreformed and unrepentant mainstream Islamic doctrine. Reilly’s highly selective and celebratory presentation of Lewis’s understandings—the man Reilly dubs the “foremost historian of the Middle East”— is pathognomonic of the dangerous influence Lewis continues to wield over his uncritical acolytes and supporters. xiii
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Despite President Bush’s uplifting rhetoric and ebullient appraisal of these events—which epitomized American hopes and values at their quintessential best—there was a profound, deeply troubling flaw in his—and his advisers—analysis which simply ignored the vast gulf between Western and Islamic conceptions of freedom itself. 5 How did that happen?


Journalist David Warren, writing in March, 2006, questioned the advice given President Bush “on the nature of Islam” at that crucial time by not only “ the paid operatives of Washington’s Council on American-Islamic Relations, and the happyface pseudo-scholar Karen Armstrong,” but most significantly, one eminence grise, in particular: “the profoundly learned” Bernard Lewis. 6 All these advisers, despite their otherwise divergent viewpoints, as Warren noted, 7 “assured him (President Bush) that Islam and modernity were potentially compatible.” None more vehemently—or with such authority—than the so-called “Last Orientalist,” 8 nonagenarian Professor Bernard Lewis. Arguably the most striking example of Lewis’ fervor was a lecture he delivered July 16, 2006 (on board the ship Crystal Serenity during a Hillsdale College cruise in the British Isles) about the transferability of Western democracy to despotic Muslim societies, such as Iraq. 9 He concluded with the statement, “Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.” This stunning claim was published with that concluding remark as the title, “Bring Them Freedom Or They Destroy Us,” and disseminated widely. 10
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Hurriyya “freedom” is — as Ibn Arabi (d. 1240) the lionized “Greatest Sufi Master,” 15 expressed it — “perfect slavery.” 16 And this conception is not merely confined to the Sufis’ perhaps metaphorical understanding of the relationship between Allah the “master” and his human “slaves.” Following Islamic law slavishly throughout one’s life was paramount to hurriyya “freedom.” This earlier more concrete characterization of hurriyya’s metaphysical meaning, whose essence Ibn Arabi reiterated, was pronounced by the Sufi scholar al-Qushayri (d. 1072/74). 17

Let it be known to you that the real meaning of freedom lies in the perfection of slavery. If the slavery of a human being in relation to God is a true one, his freedom is relieved from the yoke of changes. Anyone who imagines that it may be granted to a human being to give up his slavery for a moment and disregard the commands and prohibitions of the religious law while possessing discretion and responsibility, has divested himself of Islam. God said to his Prophet: “Worship until certainty comes to you.” (Koran 15:99). As agreed upon by the [Koranic] commentators, “certainty” here means the end (of life).
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And Lewis concludes his entry by observing that Islamic societies forsook even their inchoate democratic experiments, 21

In the final revulsion against the West, Western democracy too was rejected as a fraud and a delusion, of no value to Muslims.
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Lewis’s analogy between Islamic and Communist totalitarianism also includes this candid observation: 29d

A community brought up on such doctrines will not be shocked by (Communist) disregard of political liberty or human rights; it may even be attracted by a regime which offers ruthless strength and efficiency in the service of a cause—anyway in appearance—in place of the ineptitude, corruption, and cynicism which in their mind, one may even say in their experience, are inseparable from parliamentary government
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Lewis opens his subsequent 1955 essay about the Pakistani experiment with a self-proclaimed “Islamic Republic” by asking whether or not such a title is indeed “a contradiction in terms,” given 34

…the political experience and political traditions of Islam are after all almost exclusively monarchical and authoritarian—expressed in regimes of the kind associated in the minds of most people with the familiar terms Caliph and Sultan.
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Along the way, Lewis dismisses hagiographic notions about the principle of “elected” Muslim sovereigns, ostensibly dating from Islam’s initial four “Rightly Guided” Caliphs, who ruled between 632-661, beginning in the immediate aftermath of Muhammad’s death. 38

If we look at the history of Islam, we find that the elective principle remained purely theoretical. The first Caliph after the death of Muhammad, Abu Bakr, was chosen by a process which we may call acclamation or coup d’etat, according to our point of view. The second, Omar, simply assumed power de facto, probably after having been designated by his predecessor. The third, Othman, was nominated by a committee of six, appointed by Omar on his deathbed to choose one from among themselves as Caliph. The fourth, Ali, succeeded after a process of revolt, murder, and civil war, which thereafter became the all too frequent methods of determining the succession. Of the first four Caliphs, all but one died by violence. Thereafter a dubious solution to the problem of preserving continuity and stability was found when the Caliphate became in effect hereditary in two successive dynasties—though the fiction of an election was maintained on each accession…
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Six decades after Lewis made his then cautiously hopeful observations about Turkey and Pakistan, there is an historical record to judge—a clear, irrefragable legacy of failed secularization efforts, accompanied by steady grassroots and institutional re-Islamization in both countries.
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Unlike Vatikiotis, Bernard Lewis, has ignored these obvious setbacks—and any self-critical re-appraisal of his earlier guarded optimism. Remarkably, Lewis has become a far more dogmatic evangelist for so-called “Islamic democratization,” 44 despite such failures!

Lewis’s volte-face on the merits of experiments in “Islamic democracy,” has been accompanied by his equally troubling intellectual legacy regarding three other critical subject areas: the institution of jihad, the chronic impact of the Sharia (Islamic law) on non-Muslims vanquished by jihad, and sacralized Islamic Jew-hatred.

When discussing key doctrinal aspects of jihad, for example, the concepts of “harbi,” from Dar al Harb, 45 or jihad martyrdom, 46 Lewis’s analyses are incomplete, or frankly apologetic.

Classical Islamic jurists such as Abu Hanifa (d. 767; founder of the Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence) 47 formulated the concepts Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb (Arabic for, “The House of Islam and the House of War”). 48 The great Muslim polymath Al-Tabari’s 49 early 10th century “Book of Jihad” 50 includes extracts from Abu Hanifa (and his acolytes) affirming the impunity with which non-combatant “harbis”—women, children, the elderly, the mentally or physically disabled—may be killed. 51

Abu Hanifa and his companions said: “There is no harm in [having] night raids and incursions.” They said: “There is no harm if Muslims enter the Territory of War (ard al-harb) to assemble the mangonel [catapults] towards the polytheists’ fortresses and to shoot them musing mangonels, even if there are among them a woman, child, elder, idiot (matuh), blind, crippled, or someone with a permanent disability (zamin). There is no harm in shooting polytheists in their fortresses using mangonels even if there are among those whom we have named.

This discussion debunks Lewis’s (repeated) fatuous contention that Islamic Law proscribed the slaying of such persons during jihad. 52
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Abel’s lucid, detailed, and evocative description of Dar al Harb contrasts starkly with Lewis’s truncated presentation. The latter, which follows, is woefully inadequate to convey proper understanding of the doctrinally sanctioned threat posed to infidel non-belligerents: 54

The unsubjugated unbeliever is by definition an enemy. He is part of the Dar al Harb, the House of War,” and is designated as a “harbi,” an attributive form of the word for war.

Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the widely revered contemporary Muslim cleric, “spiritual” leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, head of the “European Council for Fatwa and Research”, and popular Al-Jazeera television personality, reiterated Abel’s formulation of Dar al Harb almost exactly in July, 2003, both in conceptual terms, and with regard to Israel, specifically: 55

It has been determined by Islamic law that the blood and property of people of Dar Al-Harb [the Domain of Disbelief where the battle for the domination of Islam should be waged] is not protected…in modern war, all of society, with all its classes and ethnic groups, is mobilized to participate in the war, to aid its continuation, and to provide it with the material and human fuel required for it to assure the victory of the state fighting its enemies. Every citizen in society must take upon himself a role in the effort to provide for the battle. The entire domestic front, including professionals, laborers, and industrialists, stands behind the fighting army, even if it does not bear arms.
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Finally, the Muslim prophet Muhammad is idealized as the eternal model for behaviors that all Muslims should emulate. 71 Nearly six decades ago (in 1956), Arthur Jeffery, a great modern scholar of Islam, reviewed Guillaume’s magisterial English translation of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, 72 the oldest and most important Muslim biography of Muhammad. Jeffery’s review included this trenchant observation: 73

Years ago the late Canon Gairdner in Cairo said that the best answer to the numerous apologetic Lives of Muhammad published in the interests of Muslim propaganda in the West would be an unvarnished translation of the earliest Arabic biography of the prophet.
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Not surprisingly then, unlike scholars who specialized in the history of the jihad conquests across Asia, Africa, and Europe—such as Moshe Gil, 76 Speros Vryonis, 77 Dimitar Angelov, 78 Charles Emmanuel Dufourcq, 79 and K.S. Lal 80—Lewis’s rather superficial surveys 81 avoid any details of the devastation these brutal campaigns wrought. As copiously documented by both triumphal Muslim historians, and the laments of non-Muslim chroniclers representing the victims perspective, jihad depredations resulted in: vast numbers of infidels mercilessly slaughtered—including non-combatant women and children—or enslaved, and deported; countless cities, villages, and infidel religious and cultural sites that were sacked and pillaged, often accompanied by the burning of harvest crops and massive uprooting of agricultural production systems, causing famine; enormous quantities of treasure and movable goods seized as “booty.” 82
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Lewis’s bowdlerized 1974 summary portrayal of the system of governance imposed upon those indigenous non-Muslims conquered by jihad is a distressing, ahistorical example of this apologetic genre. 85
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Collectively, these “obligations” formed the discriminatory system of dhimmitude imposed upon non-Muslims—Jews, Christians, as well as Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Buddhists—subjugated by jihad. Some of the more salient features of dhimmitude include: the prohibition of arms for the vanquished dhimmis, and of church bells; restrictions concerning the building and restoration of churches, synagogues, and temples; inequality between Muslims and non-Muslims with regard to taxes and penal law; the refusal of dhimmi testimony by Muslim courts; a requirement that Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims, including Zoroastrians and Hindus, wear special clothes; and the overall humiliation and abasement of non-Muslims.

It is important to note that these regulations and attitudes were institutionalized as permanent features of the sacred Islamic law, or Sharia. 91
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The practical consequences of such a discriminatory system were summarized in A.S. Tritton’s 1930 The Caliphs and their Non-Muslim Subjects, a pioneering treatise on the status of the dhimmis: 93

…[C]aliphs destroyed churches to obtain materials for their buildings, and the mob was always ready to pillage churches and monasteries…dhimmis…always lived on sufferance, exposed to the caprices of the ruler and the passions of the mob…in later times..[t]hey were much more liable to suffer from the violence of the crowd, and the popular fanaticism was accompanied by an increasing strictness among the educated. The spiritual isolation of Islam was accomplished. The world was divided into two classes, Muslims and others, and only Islam counted…Indeed the general feeling was that the leavings of the Muslims were good enough for the dhimmis.

Yet over four decades after Tritton published this apt characterization, here is what Lewis opined on the subject (in 1974): 94


The dhimma on the whole worked well. [emphasis added] The non-Muslims managed to thrive under Muslim rule, and even to make significant contributions to Islamic civilization. The restrictions were not onerous, and were usually less severe in practice than in theory. As long as the non-Muslim communities accepted and conformed to the status of tolerated subordination assigned to them, they were not troubled.

The assessments of two other highly esteemed Western scholars—Professors Ann Lambton and S.D. Goitein—who were Lewis’s contemporaries (and colleagues), make plain that his flimsy apologetic on “the dhimma” does not represent a consensus viewpoint.
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The Koran, of course became a mine of anti-Jewish passages. The hadith did not lag behind. Popular preachers used and embellished such material.

Notwithstanding Bernard Lewis’s hollow claims, salient examples of Jew-hatred illustrating Perlmann’s remarkably compendious assessment of these foundational Islamic sources, and their tragic application across space and time, through the present, are summarized in the discussion that follows.

A front page New York Times story published Saturday January 10, 2009, 103 included extracts from the Friday sermon (of the day before) at Al Azhar mosque pronounced by Egyptian-government appointed cleric Sheik Eid Abdel Hamid Youssef. Referencing well-established Antisemitic motifs from the Koran (citations provided, below), Sheikh Youssef intoned, 104

Muslim brothers, God has inflicted the Muslim nation with a people whom God has become angry at [Koran 1:7] and whom he cursed [Koran 5:78] so he made monkeys and pigs [Koran 5:60] out of them. They killed prophets and messengers [Koran 2:61 / 3:112] and sowed corruption on Earth. [Koran 5:33 / 5:64] They are the most evil on Earth. [5:62 /63]
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Here is but a very incomplete sampling of pogroms and mass murderous violence against Jews living under Islamic rule, across space and time, all resulting from the combined effects of jihadism, general anti-dhimmi, and/or specifically Antisemitic motifs in Islam:

6,000 Jews massacred in Fez in 1033;

hundreds of Jews slaughtered in Muslim Cordoba between 1010 and 1015;

4,000 Jews killed in Muslim riots in Grenada in 1066, wiping out the entire community;

the Berber Muslim Almohad depredations of Jews (and Christians) in Spain and North Africa between 1130 and 1232, which killed tens of thousands, while forcibly converting thousands more, and subjecting the forced Jewish converts to Islam to a Muslim Inquisition;

the 1291 pogroms in Baghdad and its environs, which killed (at least) hundreds of Jews;

the 1465 pogrom against the Jews of Fez;

the late 15th century pogrom against the Jews of the Southern Moroccan oasis town of Touat;

the 1679 pogroms against, and then expulsion of 10,000 Jews from Sanaa, Yemen to the unlivable, hot and dry Plain of Tihama, from which only 1,000 returned alive, in 1680, 90% having died from exposure;

recurring Muslim anti-Jewish violence—including pogroms and forced conversions—throughout the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, which rendered areas of Iran (for example, Tabriz) Judenrein;

the 1834 pogrom in Safed where raging Muslim mobs killed and grievously wounded hundreds of Jews;

the 1888 massacres of Jews in Isfahan and Shiraz, Iran;

the 1910 pogrom in Shiraz;

the pillage and destruction of the Casablanca, Morocco ghetto in 1907;

the pillage of the ghetto of Fez Morocco in 1912;

the government sanctioned anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims in Turkish Eastern Thrace during June-July, 1934 which ethnically cleansed at least 3000 Jews;

and the series of pogroms, expropriations, and finally mass expulsions of some 900,000 Jews from Arab Muslim nations, beginning in 1941 in Baghdad (the murderous “Farhud,” during which 600 Jews were murdered, and at least 12,000 pillaged)—eventually involving cities and towns in Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Syria, Aden, Bahrain,

and culminating in 1967 in Tunisia—that accompanied the planning and creation of a Jewish state, Israel, on a portion of the Jews’ ancestral homeland. 133
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Bernard Lewis’s brief characterization of these events is selective to the point of absurdity.
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Thus when Lewis first wrote his authoritative history of modern Turkey, he understood, and made explicit, that the Armenians had been massacred under successive Ottoman governments in 1894-96, and 1909. Moreover, he maintains that the Armenians were subjected in 1915 to a “holocaust,” during which 1.5 million “perished.”

By 1985, however, Lewis was the most prominent signatory on a petition to the US Congress protesting the effort to make April 24 — the date the Armenians commemorate the victims of the genocide — a nationwide Armenian-American memorial day, which would include the mention of man’s inhumanity to man.

Both this petition drive and a simultaneous high profile media advertisement campaign were financed by the Committee of the Turkish Association. 171 Speros Vryonis has raised, unabashedly, the appropriate historical questions and accompanying moral concerns regarding Lewis’s actions: 172

When was Professor Lewis expressing an objective opinion: when he wrote the book [i.e., The Emergence of Modern Turkey, 1962/68 versions], or when he signed the political ad? To phrase it more bluntly, what shall we believe? Certainly, the data available to him in the writing of the book were sufficiently clear and convincing for him to proceed to these three clear and unequivocal statements [i.e., describing the 1894-96, and 1909 events as massacres of the Armenians by the Turks, and the 1915 slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians by the Turks as a holocaust]. What had changed? The subject had entered the sphere of politics, and Prof. Lewis, along with so many other signers of the ad, had decided to take sides where their economic, professional, personal, and emotional interests lay: with the Turkish government, and not with history.
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The ironies abound—consider only Lewis’s former uncompromising descriptions of both Communism and Islam as totalitarian ideologies, 182 or the World War I era Armenian massacres as a “terrible holocaust,” i.e., a genocide 183—now summarily redacted. It is apparent Lewis has fallen quite short of the standard set by his own rhetoric.

This discussion began with Bernard Lewis’s July, 2006 admonition, “Either we bring them freedom, or they destroy us.” 184 Consistent with his admonition, the US military, at an enormous cost of blood and treasure, 185 liberated Afghanistan and Iraq from despotic regimes.

However, as facilitated by the Sharia-based Afghan and Iraqi constitutions the US military occupation helped midwife—which have negated freedom of conscience, and promoted the persecution of non-Muslim religious minorities—“they,” i.e., the Muslim denizens of Afghanistan and Iraq have chosen to reject the opportunity for Western freedom “we” provided them, and transmogrified it into “hurriyya.” 186 Far more important than mere hypocrisy—a ubiquitous human trait—is the deleterious legacy of his own Islamic confusion Bernard Lewis has bequeathed to Western policymaking elites, both academic and non-academic.

So there you have it, Bernard Lewis, upon which much
of our foreign policy is based, is a scum sucking POS and
those who echo his lies and half truths are his little
turds! :whistling:

Did someone say 'pathetic?' :salute:
 
#29
#29
Why don't I 'report'?

Does me no good, the left leaning monitors on this
board
will ignore the reports if they are true to their
track record thus far.

I love it when we get this. :crazy:
 
#30
#30
Taking into account your vast personal knowledge
concerning jackasses, that is one weighty post
on this topic.

It is also a blatant violation of board rules concerning
respect of other poster's opinions and avoiding name
calling.

Why don't I 'report'?

Does me no good, the left leaning monitors on this
board will ignore the reports if they are true to their
track record thus far.

Since I can't reply in kind to you without possibility,
even probability, of a temporary ban, just let me say,
in short:

:moon2:









Why are you even posting on this board? :loco:

Get banned from the Vandy board for name calling???

Why can't you post on the topic instead of taking cheap
personaly shots that always try to characterize one's
whole life of which you know not one thing?






And it is plain to see just who can't take a joke in this
equation!! :)

No joke, the following is quite lengthy but very concise
and informed well worth taking the time to read.

I am including some excerpts and may it be known to
the monitors that I am not in violation of copyright law
as I am excerpting far less than is permissable under the
law and am giving credit to the original source.

Bernard Lewis: Pied Piper Of Islamic Confusion

(Best debunking of Bernard Lewis to date, I am going to
save this for future reference.)



So there you have it, Bernard Lewis, upon which much
of our foreign policy is based, is a scum sucking POS and
those who echo his lies and half truths are his little
turds! :whistling:

Did someone say 'pathetic?' :salute:

Haha I get it now. You're one of those Jewish folk who hate the world for how badly the Jewish community has been treated throughout history even though the closest thing you've experienced to the Holocaust is watching it on the History channel. It all makes sense now, thank you for responding so thoroughly and giving us here at volnation an inside look into what being gsvol is all about.
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#32
Haha I get it now. You're one of those Jewish folk who hate the world for how badly the Jewish community has been treated throughout history even though the closest thing you've experienced to the Holocaust is watching it on the History channel. It all makes sense now, thank you for responding so thoroughly and giving us here at volnation an inside look into what being gsvol is all about.
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Leave aside the depredations against the Jews.

Leave aside the depredations against the Hindus.

Leave aside 12 centuries of the horrid bloody history
of islamic jihad, consider that during the 20th century
about 10 million Christians lost their lives for the sake
of islamic jihad.

What have you ever experienced??

Jewbaca is in search of you, he won't be so kind as
I am.

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Why does your screen name sound like a breath mint??

I'll bet you are big on PC gay rights, right????














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