Butch Jones...

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bigsteve13 said:
lol, so third best hire in the SEC last season. After a losing season he's now the third best potential NFL coach? People lol
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The situations would be entirely different. I'm not saying he would or wouldn't be a good NFL coach, but basing your opinion soley on this last season doesn't help your cause.

Also, I don't know how you could rank Stoops or Bielema as a better hire than Butch.
 
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lilesrt said:
One of the next great NFL head coaches coming from the college ranks per "College Football Live". Are we serious? He was #3 on a list that included:

1.) Mark Dantonio
2.) David Cutcliffe
3.) Butch Jones

Wow.
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Only one that would hire Cutcliffe would be Haslen and the Cleveland Browns. Do not see that happening. Butch is not going anywhere. When he starts winning at UT he will make more money here.
 
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IMO, Butch Jones in the NFL would go about as well as Schiano's stint. The cliches and rah-rah stuff isn't what the NFL is about. It works in college, no doubt.

Although he (Jones) worked for the Bucs back in the day.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I agree I meant the list is humorous. There's really no magical formula to determine who can excel at the college ranks and the NFL. Both Spurrier and Saban were NFL duds but Chip Kelly and Pete Carrol appear to be doing fine. I think it depends alot on the organization the coach goes to also.
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And the players and how that respective coach treats his respective coaches and players.:eek:k:
 
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IMO, CBJ is so high on the list because he is a read option coach and Seattle just went a long way toward proving it's not just a fad. Now there is probably going to be a mad scramble among NFL owners to get coaches who can implement it.

We can at least hope they wait until CBJ proves he can win with it in the SEC.

I believe CBJ meant it when he said Tennessee was his dream job -- college dream job that is -- but that probably doesn't apply to offers to coach an NFL team, especially if they are able to offer the big dough.

So his making this list is not good news for the long-term if he starts winning big here.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Doesn't mean he can't either. Jones could go to the NFL and be the next Bill Walsh.
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Bill Walsh changed the entire way the NFL plays offense. I don't think the half-back dive from the shotgun is that innovative.
 
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TNinOR said:
IMO, CBJ is so high on the list because he is a read option coach and Seattle just went a long way toward proving it's not just a fad. Now there is probably going to be a mad scramble among NFL owners to get coaches who can implement it.

We can at least hope they wait until CBJ proves he can win with it in the SEC.

I believe CBJ meant it when he said Tennessee was his dream job -- college dream job that is -- but that probably doesn't apply to offers to coach an NFL team, especially if they are able to offer the big dough.

So his making this list is not good news for the long-term if he starts winning big here.
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Seattle is not a read option team. Wilson is under center a lot and when in shotgun it is usually an empty backfield.
 
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thebjd said:
Seattle is not a read option team. Wilson is under center a lot and when in shotgun it is usually an empty backfield.
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Not to open the read-option can of worms debate, but I think he's referring to having designed and non-designed mobile QB runs.
 
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thebjd said:
Seattle is not a read option team. Wilson is under center a lot and when in shotgun it is usually an empty backfield.
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It is technically true that Seattle doesn't run the read option a great deal of the time. But according to sportswriter Keith Myers:

"The important part of all of this is that the threat of the read-option attack might be more important than the actual use of the play. Opposing teams have to spend precious practice time preparing to stop it, which takes away from their time to prepare for the rest of the offense."

I suspect this was also true for Denver's game prep against Seattle.

So I still think NFL owners are going to put a premium on coaches who can run it.
 
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Ok let's talk about a more important topic I caught over in the recruiting tweets forum. What is this about "no one is better at negative recruiting then the Vols" is this true? If so, I don't know that I am a fan of that Technique. Tennessee has enough merit to stand on it's own, shouldn't need to be backed up by bashing the other guy...
 
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BigTXVolFan said:
Ok let's talk about a more important topic I caught over in the recruiting tweets forum. What is this about "no one is better at negative recruiting then the Vols" is this true? If so, I don't know that I am a fan of that Technique. Tennessee has enough merit to stand on it's own, shouldn't need to be backed up by bashing the other guy...
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Whatever they are doing is working.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
I think his dream job is Tampa Bay. But I've always wanted to ask him what might happen if Michigan or MSU came open.
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It would be hard for him to turn down Tampa Bay. Lovie Smith will be there for a long time so I don't think CBJ is going anywhere.
 
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TNinOR said:
It is technically true that Seattle doesn't run the read option a great deal of the time. But according to sportswriter Keith Myers:

"The important part of all of this is that the threat of the read-option attack might be more important than the actual use of the play. Opposing teams have to spend precious practice time preparing to stop it, which takes away from their time to prepare for the rest of the offense."

I suspect this was also true for Denver's game prep against Seattle.

So I still think NFL owners are going to put a premium on coaches who can run it.
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Teams have to prepare for Wilson't running but he gets to the perimeter rolling out or off bootlegs. Pretty simple offense that is not easy to defend because of the threat of Lynch and Wilson's ability to throw or run when outside the pocket. Denver did not contain the plays and let Seattle get the edge whether it was Harvin or Wilson. I think the lesson for NFL owners is to get a defensive team, a relatively inexpensive mobile QB that was a former baseball player and use the salary cap for depth.
 
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BigTXVolFan said:
Ok let's talk about a more important topic I caught over in the recruiting tweets forum. What is this about "no one is better at negative recruiting then the Vols" is this true? If so, I don't know that I am a fan of that Technique. Tennessee has enough merit to stand on it's own, shouldn't need to be backed up by bashing the other guy...
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I took it meaning we're the best at not having to put down other programs to sell our own. That's what recruits have been saying since Butch took over, so that's the way I read it.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
Not to open the read-option can of worms debate, but I think he's referring to having designed and non-designed mobile QB runs.
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Yes. And I think if Coach Jones is going to be successful here he may have to use his quarterbacks in a similar way and not attempt to run a true read option exclusively. That would be buying into a fad that isn't going to hold up in the long term, as many have suggested. But the constant threat of the read option in the hands of a smart, mobile quarterback with a good arm is the wave of the future, imo.
 
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TNinOR said:
Yes. And I think if Coach Jones is going to be successful here he may have to use his quarterbacks in a similar way and not attempt to run a true read option exclusively. That would be buying into a fad that isn't going to hold up in the long term, as many have suggested. But the constant threat of the read option in the hands of a smart, mobile quarterback with a good arm is the wave of the future, imo.
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A QB that does not turn the ball over. A solid running game and a great defense is the one tried and true way to championships. Offensive firepower is fun but a great defense is way more reliable.
 
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