By Year 2

Can you tell by year two if a coach will be successful or not?

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Elhanan

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We heard it said by hundreds of posters and some local and national media:

“You’ll know you got the right coach or not by Year 2.”

If you agree, did your mind get changed by CJH or were you always on board with this train of thought?

Now the season isn’t over by a long shot and it’s not a given we have a successful outcome (by whatever that standard is for you) but so far we’ve seen amazing coaching and execution.
 
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My answer would have been different 20 years ago, but in today's environment (transfers, NIL, etc.) a great coach should be able to build along an obvious success pattern (lose big -> lose close -> win close -> win big) fairly quickly, even within the span of a season or two.
 
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Heupel has made an extremely strong case that UT finally got it right and I firmly believe he will have long term success here. Gene Chizik OTOH won a title in his second year but was fired in year 4. I was on board last year btw.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Heupel has made an extremely strong case that UT finally got it right and I firmly believe he will have long term success here. Gene Chizik OTOH won a title in his second year but was fired in year 4. I was on board last year btw.
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Yeah I remember when we were all excited about Pruitt finishing out his Y2 strong. Difference is thinking/wishing vs knowing... JH is the real deal, and we'll see it next year when Hooker is gone and Milton at the reins...maybe not quite as prolific, but I'd also suspect some of our DB issues will be better, so maybe we don't have to score 50 points a game.
 
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Define success.

And success where? Alabama, Michigan, Texas, Or Southern Cal.? Or at Vanderbilt, Indiana, Kansas, or Oregon State?

Who is measuring?
 
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Yes, it's true. Always was. Butch and Dooley definitely should have been run after two seasons. Pruitt maybe gave enough reason in year 2 to keep him for a third season. MAYBE. He obviously cleared things up in year 3.
 
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njvols said:
Yeah I remember when we were all excited about Pruitt finishing out his Y2 strong. Difference is thinking/wishing vs knowing... JH is the real deal, and we'll see it next year when Hooker is gone and Milton at the reins...maybe not quite as prolific, but I'd also suspect some of our DB issues will be better, so maybe we don't have to score 50 points a game.
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If you look at the guys that had major success in the SEC by year two over the last 20 years or so a few stand out.
-Saban reached ATL but lost
-Meyer won SEC & NC
-Chizik won SEC & NC
-Smart won the SEC but lost the NC.
Chizik is the outlier and got fired. Hopefully Heupel has success like Meyer, Kirby, and Saban.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
If you look at the guys that had major success in the SEC by year two over the last 20 years or so a few stand out.
-Saban reached ATL but lost
-Meyer won SEC & NC
-Chizik won SEC & NC
-Smart won the SEC but lost the NC.
Chizik is the outlier and got fired. Hopefully Heupel has success like Meyer, Kirby, and Saban.
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All true but Saban in year 2 at Michigan State was barely above .500 and in year 2 at LSU was 18-7 (that did include a ridiculous upset over us of course). After year 3 at LSU he was only 26-12. Even when he left Miami to go to Bama there was no indication that Bama would turn into the force they have. I do think you mostly know by the end of year 2 but look at Dabo. After his second full year he was 19-15. I think you can’t just go by record. You have to look at how the team plays. As someone else said, how do y out define success? Right was great in year 2 but UGA ultimately wanted more.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
All true but Saban in year 2 at Michigan State was barely above .500 and in year 2 at LSU was 18-7 (that did include a ridiculous upset over us of course). After year 3 at LSU he was only 26-12. Even when he left Miami to go to Bama there was no indication that Bama would turn into the force they have. I do think you mostly know by the end of year 2 but look at Dabo. After his second full year he was 19-15. I think you can’t just go by record. You have to look at how the team plays. As someone else said, how do y out define success? Right was great in year 2 but UGA ultimately wanted more.
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Gotcha
I was only looking back the last 20 years in the SEC. No other conferences.
 
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What Huepel is doing in his second year is very similar to what Saban did at Bama, Urban at Florida and Kirby at Georgia
 
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Mccage said:
2 ? Elaborate please.
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We beat Kentucky and UGA, we're in! Nobody else in the east can catch us, and we certainly won't get beat by Mizzou, South Carolina, or Vandy. We would own the tiebreaker over UGA if we slipped up once.
 
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NO SIR EEE said:
We beat Kentucky and UGA, we're in! Nobody else in the east can catch us, and we certainly won't get beat by Mizzou, South Carolina, or Vandy. We would own the tiebreaker over UGA if we slipped up once.
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South Carolina and Mizzou can most definitely beat us. It happens to teams all the time year in year out. We went from never going to be relevant to can't be beat in a year and a half. Good lord!
 
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In my lifetime...Tennessee had only had 4 coaches (Dickie, Battle, Majors & Fulmer) in ~60 years...before having...what? 6 or 7 (counting interim coaches) in the last 13 years...

CJH seems to be a 'keeper'...i wasn't convinced until AFTER the Florida game this year, and I get more and more convinced EVERYDAY!
 
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