BYU - Unbelievable

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Hobock said:
You would enjoy the "Compare Joseph Smith, Jr and L. Ron Hubbard" thread in the Politics Forum. Check it out.
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Heh, sounds like I would. It's an apt comparison. I'll definitely give it a read.
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Vercingetorix said:
Have you ever read the stuff that Mormons are asked to believe? It's impossible to make as much fun of them as they deserve. Every religion spins a few whoppers, but LDS doctrine plays in the same league of crackpottery as Scientology. Every religion has a point at which you have to throw your hands up and say, "We can't know the explanation for that; it's something we've got to take on faith," but Mormons have to do that almost immediately because literally nothing in their sacred text is compatible with history, archaeology, linguistics, etc.

If you're more interested in temporal affairs, have a look at Under The Banner of Heaven. And then think about the fact that the LDS Church basically owns an entire state of the Union.
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A Mormon tries to recruit me for their religion, I'd simply tell them that when you can show me evidence of a living horse in the Americas anytime in the 3,000 years before Columbus, I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then, it's all a bunch of bunk to me.
 
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jsc1973 said:
A Mormon tries to recruit me for their religion, I'd simply tell them that when you can show me evidence of a living horse in the Americas anytime in the 3,000 years before Columbus, I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then, it's all a bunch of bunk to me.
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You should stretch that skepticism across all religions...
 
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bigdaddy said:
Did those other guys go to class in the end? I think I remember seeing Manning on campus his Junior year but never had any classes with him. Eh, I have no real problem with BYU. He can get his degree after his shot at the NBA any time.
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Manning graduated in 3 years IIRC.
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There was some speculation that he may have broken a BYU rule and they do not want to make Jimmer look bad. If that's the case I think that shows class by BYU. Just something I heard... GBO!!!
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vol-un-tear said:
There was some speculation that he may have broken a BYU rule and they do not want to make Jimmer look bad. If that's the case I think that shows class by BYU. Just something I heard... GBO!!!
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Respectfully disagree on the class issue if a rule was broken. One player breaks the rules (sex) and is thrown under the bus while their star player is spared. Reeks of favortism and exceptionalism. If true, I have less respect for them (not that I had an abundance to begin with).
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Regarding that speculation on Jimmer, there has never been any mention OR speculation on local sports shows. And one of them is a full on pro Utah Utes, or anti-BYU, flagship station.
 
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Slydell said:
Regarding that speculation on Jimmer, there has never been any mention OR speculation on local sports shows. And one of them is a full on pro Utah Utes, or anti-BYU, flagship station.
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Heard it on 3 hour lunch a few days ago in Nashville. Just a "reach" speculation. I don't agree just passing what I heard.
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JayVols said:
Respectfully disagree on the class issue if a rule was broken. One player breaks the rules (sex) and is thrown under the bus while their star player is spared. Reeks of favortism and exceptionalism. If true, I have less respect for them (not that I had an abundance to begin with).
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Yeah. I hear what you are saying. I hate the other kid got exposed. I assume an insider leaked the info. I was just thinking maybe they learned their lesson and didn't tell as many people. I agree on their decision to susped the kid but letting out the reason why was bs. I would not think BYU would want that released to the public. JMO.
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Vercingetorix said:
So Fredette is a bigger, more distracting star on his campus than Tebow was on his? Or Colt McCoy was at Texas? Or Matt Leinart was at USC? Or Peyton Manning was in Knoxville? BYU is a joke.
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it's the LDS church garment, it cuts off blood flow to the brain, and prevents clear thinking
 
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I dealt with a girl who was homeschooled for only 2 years when she was 10-12 (she's now 17) She is probably the most socially awkward person I know, and she only had two years of it, and I fully blame it on the homeschooling. I knew her both before and after it happened and when she was younger she seemed like a normal kid, after... not so much.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
What percentage of public school kids get killed in school shootings? What percentage of homeschooled kids turn out to be socially awkward misfits who have trouble fitting in once they have to go out in the real world?
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6-year-old has gun in school, three children hurt | Reuters, University of Texas Tower Shooting, 1966, Buck Wroten - MemoryArchive, Virginia Tech The Sniper, Kent State shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Not sure what the precentages are but the list goes on and on and...
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I assume you would never let your kids ride in a car, then, because they are far, far more likely to die in a car crash then they are to be killed by a gun in a public school.
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What's the percentages of a car intentionally crashing into my kids as opposed to kids with public educations intentionally shooting up a school??? :whistling:
 
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Intention has nothing to do with accurately assessing risk.

If you want to homeschool your kids because the curriculum is dumbed down to the least common denominator, that's one thing; yes, you are basically assuring your kids that they'll have no idea how to interact with humans comfortably, but at least they'll be good at calculus. If you want to homeschool them because you're a religious zealot and don't feel like they'd get the proper kind of brainwashing in a public school, then there's not really any rebuttal to that. But homeschooling your kids and depriving them of the social interactions during their formative years that lead to well adjusted adults who are comfortable in society because you're afraid of the 1 in 100,000 chance that they'll be shot by a schoolmate is about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile.

The only way to keep your kids really safe is to chain them in your basement and boil all their food and water for half an hour before they ingest it. Anything else is a risk.
 
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BUBear said:
What's the percentages of a car intentionally crashing into my kids as opposed to kids with public educations intentionally shooting up a school??? :whistling:
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I'm neither for nor against home schooling. It depends on who is doing the schooling in terms of competency.

What I wish to do is express a societal opinion. We allow the production of and purchase violent games for our kids. Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat, and so on. Media whether movies or comic books have been and are a source of praising guns and big explosions, fighting in some form or another. Doesn't matter the generation. Go all the way back to dime novels, Charlie Chaplain, Three Stoogies, Popeye,. . . . To these modern times of Salt, Inception, Jonathan Hex, True Grit and so forth. Not to mention images that bomb kids with sexual promptings. Then when our kids commit acts of violence
and even sadist acts, we presume to act shocked? []Six arrested in brutal murder of Fla. boy Seath Tyler Jackson - Crimesider - CBS News

Kids who even post their criminal acts online as a form of bragging to boot. [http://www.wftv.com/news/15817394/detail.html]

"I never raised my child to do this." Blah, blah blah. Yeah, right. As a child my biggest worry was doing something I shouldn't be doing and knew it, and being seen by an adult living in the area. They'd command me to sit on the porch or in the yard and call my parents. And don't dare to presume to talk back ("You ain't my momma, can't tell me what to do.) cause if you did, you only make it worse. It's then I wished I'd been born without an arse because I knew what was going to happen to it when my mom or dad came to pick me up. Or told the adult to send me straight home. None of that time out hogwash. Today, if you so much as ask a kid to stop breaking your window panes, the parent hauls you to court for traumatizing the darn brat. The cops will probably write you up for assault even though you only asked the kids to stop breaking your windows. Overzealous social workers will seek court action to demand you compensate the child for punitive damages or some other trumped up bull. In short, we are teaching kids they can do whatever they want. Then we're shocked when they commit acts of brutality and worse? We, as a society are reaping what we have sown.

What does this have to do with home schooling vs. regular school? Doesn't matter which, violence by kids happens in both places. Including home schooled kids who kill their parents.
[http://www.coloradoconnection.com/news/story.aspx?id=588396]

Just my opinion on violence by kids whether home schooled or not. The first finger should point to ourselves as parents and a society.
 
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ATC_VOL said:
Manning graduated in 3 years IIRC.
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I am pretty sure he was here 4. I sat behind him at graduation. We started and finished the same year. I also remember it being a big deal him staying his senior year. Press conf all over the place.
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bigdaddy said:
I am pretty sure he was here 4. I sat behind him at graduation. We started and finished the same year. I also remember it being a big deal him staying his senior year. Press conf all over the place.
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He stayed four; he graduated in three.
 
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