Cal on Grad Transfers - Bad for the "Kids"

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LittleCat said:
It's almost like you didn't even read the OP and instead just spat out a generic, rehearsed anti-Cal diatribe.

Cal is addressing two issues here. One, how grad transfers don't have to sit out, unlike regular transfers. In some cases like he has said, kids have ditched a school to play one year at a big school with no restrictions. But second, and a bigger issue, is how some schools restrict a players academic path so they can't graduate early. That is wrong, and kids should be able to do what they want. But I'm not convinced kids, even when they graduate early should be able to go completely unrestricted. Cal has a understandable point.
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I read it but admittedly did not get that out of it.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
On the not good for the kids scale, his one and done (barely go to class) model is far worse than graduate then transfer.
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Exactly. A kid who was overlooked by other schools. He graduates 3 years and can go somewhere where they offer something to major in different from his current School. What bad is there with that he can play at a school he has dreamed about. The one and done rule a kid can have bad character and no desire to get an education yet he loves those kids and it's great to reward them?
 
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Sin City Vol said:
College basketball has become so diluted that he'll win another one eventually. He has the most talent and sometimes that alone is enough.

I miss the days of CB when people stayed 3-4 years and you grew to hate certain players and watched teams grow. The majority of fans don't know anything about these one and done kids
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If they ever pass the 2 years out of high School rule. Him and Coach K and Bill Self will rotate Championships. I think Cal's best team didn't win the title and it wasn't the almost undefeated team. DeMarcus Cousins and John Wall and Eric Bledsoe and others bowed out in the Elite Right. If those players had to play 2 years they would have annihilated the rest of the field with whatever freshman he could have added to that bunch.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Cal is not the person to speak in this. The majority of his players are in college no more than 1-2 years and don't graduate.
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He also is in a position where his juniors and seniors are very likely to lose the starting job to Freshmen. I think he's being very short-sighted...

He doesn't want his juniors to leave, but he is not considering the fact that some HS players might avoid signing with him because they are afraid they will never start. Now they can take their shot at Kentucky with a fallback plan.
 
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LittleCat said:
Somehow Cal is to be blamed for recruiting the best players who rightfully need to leave? Every single coach in the country would have wanted the same players.
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Not to blame for anything. But he's the last person who needs to be on some moral high horse about a loophole in the recruiting rules when he exploits the he'll out of another one.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Not to blame for anything. But he's the last person who needs to be on some moral high horse about a loophole in the recruiting rules when he exploits the he'll out of another one.
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He doesn't take advantage of a RECRUITING rule. He takes advantage of a PROFESSIONAL ELIGIBILITY rule.
 
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v011s said:
And most would have done better in the postseason than Cal has.
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Coach K hasn't. Roy hasn't. Self hasn't. Izzo hasn't. Cal has gotten to the Elite 8 six out of eight times (I didn't double check so I could be wrong). Considering how much of a crapshoot the NCAAT is now, that's incredibly consistent.

sanefan said:
Just as others should not jump on Cal just because he's Cal, you should not blindly defend him because he is your coach.
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Reading an article doesn't equate to me "blindly defending" him. I've done more than my fair share of criticizing him. Cal deserves it about certain issues. But blaming him for the one and done program situation we have isn't one. Do fans really want to go back to the Tubby Smith years where we didn't go a final four for the longest time in program history??? Cal is as sleazy as they come. But I think he really does want the best for his players (because it reflects well on him in turn).
 
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LittleCat said:
Reading an article doesn't equate to me "blindly defending" him. I've done more than my fair share of criticizing him. Cal deserves it about certain issues. But blaming him for the one and done program situation we have isn't one. Do fans really want to go back to the Tubby Smith years where we didn't go a final four for the longest time in program history??? Cal is as sleazy as they come. But I think he really does want the best for his players (because it reflects well on him in turn).
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You may have read the article but you couldn't have read my post. Otherwise you would not have mentioned the one and done in you reply because I didn't. I only responded to your defense of Cal saying the grad transfer rule is bad for the kids.
 
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LittleCat said:
It's almost like you didn't even read the OP and instead just spat out a generic, rehearsed anti-Cal diatribe.

Cal is addressing two issues here. One, how grad transfers don't have to sit out, unlike regular transfers. In some cases like he has said, kids have ditched a school to play one year at a big school with no restrictions. But second, and a bigger issue, is how some schools restrict a players academic path so they can't graduate early. That is wrong, and kids should be able to do what they want. But I'm not convinced kids, even when they graduate early should be able to go completely unrestricted. Cal has a understandable point.
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It's rewarding a kid for graduating. I don't see how that is a bad thing. Yes, a grad transfer should be able to play right away because he graduated. Maybe some mid majors try to hold kids back, but a smart kid will progress at his own pace and figure it out.

I have no problem with Cal taking advantage of the one and done, but I don't understand his criticism of this. If Cal says it, then it must make sense. He is a manipulator.
 
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sanefan said:
You may have read the article but you couldn't have read my post. Otherwise you would not have mentioned the one and done in you reply because I didn't. I only responded to your defense of Cal saying the grad transfer rule is bad for the kids.
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I wasn't just responding to you, but the thread as a whole. It was a bit of a tangent when you said I was blindly defending him. There are plenty of things I'll criticize him on, but I'll defend him when the one and done issue comes up (which was brought up with the grad transfer comments).
 
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Cal is just using hyperbole regarding coaches holding players back academically to help make his far reaching point about grad transfers. Interesting to see if he has any evidence of this or is he just talking like a politician in DC.
 
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CobbVol said:
Cal is just using hyperbole regarding coaches holding players back academically to help make his far reaching point about grad transfers. Interesting to see if he has any evidence of this or is he just talking like a politician in DC.
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I have heard this comment from others as well. I don't recall seeing a specific player or coach mentioned, though. I am sure it is happening quietly. A player may not even realize it until it is too late.

However, the player has some responsibility to schedule classes the way they want. If the coach threatens playing time to scale back classes, then you have a smoking gun. Easier said than done, I know.
 
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I agree with Cal to a degree but I don't think its fair to the school or those who supported the athlete during their time at the school from which they graduate.

First very, very few of these athletes are graduating in 3 years. Large majority are redshirts or transfers from earlier and sat out a season. School A, where they got their degree from, paid for their school while they did little or nothing but practice. There is very little hitting today in college football during the season so save me the "practice dummy" bull****.

Then when the player can really contribute, the player decides or is recruited by Power5 school B to come in and fill a need or provide depth. So School A has been left thinking they have a potential starter or even all-conference guy who suddenly decides to leave who School A was counting on being a major contributor.

The grad transfer rule clearly helps to Power5 schools who have unlimited amounts of money today, fill needs from previous years recruiting failures. It hurts the smaller Div 1 schools who often lose players they are counting on. JMO
 
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wmcovol said:
I agree with Cal to a degree but I don't think its fair to the school or those who supported the athlete during their time at the school from which they graduate.

First very, very few of these athletes are graduating in 3 years. Large majority are redshirts or transfers from earlier and sat out a season. School A, where they got their degree from, paid for their school while they did little or nothing but practice. There is very little hitting today in college football during the season so save me the "practice dummy" bull****.

Then when the player can really contribute, the player decides or is recruited by Power5 school B to come in and fill a need or provide depth. So School A has been left thinking they have a potential starter or even all-conference guy who suddenly decides to leave who School A was counting on being a major contributor.

The grad transfer rule clearly helps to Power5 schools who have unlimited amounts of money today, fill needs from previous years recruiting failures. It hurts the smaller Div 1 schools who often lose players they are counting on. JMO
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The vast majority are guys who are slated to be backups. Most of them are qb's. You really can't blame a guy who's been on the roster for 3 to 4 years, who was hoping for a chance to start and was beaten out by an underclassmen for wanting to go somewhere where he can contribute.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Technically right. He's still taking advantage of and exploiting a loophole.
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Set by the NBA. Even Coach K has bowed to the mantra of recruit the one and outs. He GRUMBLES AND LAMENTS but he caves. Interestingly enough, Roy Williams seems to have cornered the market on the still highly talented level of athlete that stays a little longer. End result, two straight Final Fours. UNC was one of the hardest hit when players started declaring for the draft out of high school in droves.
 
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LittleCat said:
How is it a loophole? It's the standard the NBA and NCAA has set.
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NCAA had no input. This was no cooperative. The NBA was weary of diluting their product with unvetted high school stars.
 
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butchna said:
NCAA had no input. This was no cooperative. The NBA was weary of diluting their product with unvetted high school stars.
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It's more about protecting NBA GMs from making bad draft picks than about dilution IMO
 
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butchna said:
Set by the NBA. Even Coach K has bowed to the mantra of recruit the one and outs. He GRUMBLES AND LAMENTS but he caves. Interestingly enough, Roy Williams seems to have cornered the market on the still highly talented level of athlete that stays a little longer. End result, two straight Final Fours. UNC was one of the hardest hit when players started declaring for the draft out of high school in droves.
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Roy has tried his daggum hardest to get the same players. He just can't. He even said it himself.
 
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