California ban on same-sex marriage struck down

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volsforever27 said:
You're right, it's not, but my point was marriage originated from God. Do you understand this? I'll type slower if need be.
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Given that the origins of marriage predate reliable recorded history, how do you know it originated from God? How do you know it wasn't the creation of some humans who wanted to gain power by creating alliances, or foster more order in society, or simply create offspring in a more orderly manner?

Did you know there were same-sex marriages as early as the early 300s A.D.?

btw, if you're going to argue that since God created the earth, then everything originated from God, then we've got a mess of an argument figuring out what to do with a whole host of problems here on earth.
 
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TennNC said:
Given that the origins of marriage predate reliable recorded history, how do you know it originated from God? How do you know it wasn't the creation of some humans who wanted to gain power by creating alliances, or foster more order in society, or simply create offspring in a more orderly manner?

Did you know there were same-sex marriages as early as the early 300s A.D.?

btw, if you're going to argue that since God created the earth, then everything originated from God, then we've got a mess of an argument figuring out what to do with a whole host of problems here on earth.
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Sin nature, hello!
 
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TennNC said:
Given that the origins of marriage predate reliable recorded history, how do you know it originated from God? How do you know it wasn't the creation of some humans who wanted to gain power by creating alliances, or foster more order in society, or simply create offspring in a more orderly manner?

Did you know there were same-sex marriages as early as the early 300s A.D.?

btw, if you're going to argue that since God created the earth, then everything originated from God, then we've got a mess of an argument figuring out what to do with a whole host of problems here on earth.
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There's really no point in debating someone like you, is there? How do I know? There's this little book out there which I probably shouldn't mention.. it may offend you. Prove to me otherwise.

As far as same sex marriage being around for that long, human sacrifice was around then as well.
 
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TennNC said:
Given that the origins of marriage predate reliable recorded history, how do you know it originated from God? How do you know it wasn't the creation of some humans who wanted to gain power by creating alliances, or foster more order in society, or simply create offspring in a more orderly manner?

Did you know there were same-sex marriages as early as the early 300s A.D.?

btw, if you're going to argue that since God created the earth, then everything originated from God, then we've got a mess of an argument figuring out what to do with a whole host of problems here on earth.[/QUOTE]

So since there's problems on earth that means there is no God? Makes sense.
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volsforever27 said:
No, if you read the post I'm MORE upset with legislation from the bench.
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how did they legislate from the bench? Their job is to decide if a law is acceptable under the CA constitution and it seems that's exactly what they did. They passed no laws that I am aware of but rather decided the laws were discriminatory.
 
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TennNC said:
Given that the origins of marriage predate reliable recorded history, how do you know it originated from God? How do you know it wasn't the creation of some humans who wanted to gain power by creating alliances, or foster more order in society, or simply create offspring in a more orderly manner?

Did you know there were same-sex marriages as early as the early 300s A.D.?

btw, if you're going to argue that since God created the earth, then everything originated from God, then we've got a mess of an argument figuring out what to do with a whole host of problems here on earth.
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I'm very interested to know where this info came from. I am an ancient civilization buff and would like to look further into it.
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm very interested to know where this info came from. I am an ancient civilization buff and would like to look further into it.
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Hammurabi Code.......... :dunno:

There is a picture of two guys going at it like dogs...

:wacko:
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Hammurabi Code.......... :dunno:

There is a picture of two guys going at it like dogs...

:wacko:
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How do you know they were married........And wait a minute did you just happen to have that little nugget of info stored away in your mind for recall?:whistling:
 
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KB5252 said:
How do you know they were married........And wait a minute did you just happen to have that little nugget of info stored away in your mind for recall?:whistling:
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Hello, I am the person that knows the really stupid stuff about the world........

Yes, I am that guy!
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm very interested to know where this info came from. I am an ancient civilization buff and would like to look further into it.
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Suetonius Life of Nero 28-29; Martial Epigrams 1.24, 12.42; etc.

Don't know if this helps, but it was the reference listed in Wiki.
 
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volsforever27 said:
There's really no point in debating someone like you, is there? How do I know? There's this little book out there which I probably shouldn't mention.. it may offend you. Prove to me otherwise.

As far as same sex marriage being around for that long, human sacrifice was around then as well.
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What does "someone like you" mean?
 
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volsforever27 said:
So since there's problems on earth that means there is no God? Makes sense.
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How did you come to that conclusion? You think I don't believe in God?

Let's backtrack.

Your point was that marriage came from God, therefore it is sacrosanct, not to be messed with, man and woman only. My point was that using that logic, every human creation/contract/law etc. is sacrosanct b/c God created us, therefore God created everything - including slavery, polygamy, discrimination, etc.

Here's what I believe: marriage was created by humans for very practical purposes -- mainly, to create or protect one's power. It was for alliances, for establishing order, for creating offspring. I think it took on religious meaning over time b/c it gave churches more power and influence. Religious leaders were smart.

Now, I got married (to a woman) in a church (with my father, a preacher, conducting the wedding, btw). Was it necessary to make it a religious ceremony? No. Do I think God thinks any different of me b/c I got married in a church, by a preacher, instead of a justice of the peace? No. I chose to do that b/c my faith was an important part of the commitment.

And do I think God favors me b/c I married a woman and not another man? No.

Making a marriage a religious ceremony and commitment is a personal choice and should have no bearing on marriage law.

It's your right to think it's wrong for two people of the same sex to marry, but why should you deny them the same legal opportunity you have of making a commitment to someone they love? Just because your religious beliefs say so?
 
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VolinArizona said:
Everyone always goes to that. It is CLEARLY stated that there needs to be a separation of church and state.
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Just because Thomas Jefferson suggested it doesn't make it a part of our constitution. Unfortunately, everyone seems to think there is. The actual separation of Church and State is not in the US Constitution.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Just because Thomas Jefferson suggested it doesn't make it a part of our constitution. Unfortunately, everyone seems to think there is. The actual separation of Church and State is not in the US Constitution.
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you and I agree on something.

The separation is not as explicit as many believe.
 
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