Can anyone name a more inept athletic department considering the resources.

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creekerballer said:
how many people have requested a Auburn school badge?
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None that I've read on VN, but his arrival at Auburn today is sadly reminiscent of the excitement of what he brought to Knoxville. They are instantly relevant in the SEC, which is a pretty mediocre bb conference. :cray:
 
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dxhman said:
Here is how utterly insane the OP is...
Let's fire a coach who got into the NCAA tourney and showed W-L improvement every year thus far....
Let's hire an ex coach who was fired and has a show cause through August.....
If we don't then Dave Hart is a failure....

What a riot!!!@@##:dance2::dance2::dance2::dance2:
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OP also ignored the facts about #7. UT didnt just up and fire Pearl. Had no choice. He lied to NCAA and to UT. They found out there was more to it than first thought. It boggles my mind how many people dont grasp that situation. Youd think they just fired the guy for fun based on how people present it. Bruce Pearl is coaching at Auburn because of Bruce Pearl.
 
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knowthevols said:
No it is not ridiculous, Hart needs to be fired. The sooner the better along with Cheek and bozo.
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You really think Hart is the problem here?

I mean, it's possible that he's not going to work out as AD here, I guess, but how anyone can make that judgment at THIS point in his tenure just seems completely out there to me.
 
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TennaciousD957 said:
It boggles the mind. Let's recap

Dickey Years

1. Essentially fire Majors in the middle of the season following heart surgery allowing a coup from Fulmer splintering the fan base. Worked out great with a Natty, but not handled well at all.
2. Hired Wade Houston, Kevin Oneill, and Jerry Green

Dickey Retires
1. An alleged "National" search for the most qualified AD replacement to lead a top 5 athletic department as far as revenue and on the field success turns. Except there was no national search. Mike ****ing Hamilton hired

Hamilton Years
1. Fires Delmonico - Most successful baseball coach in Tennessee History - 3 (2?) college world series
2. Hires Todd Raleigh - unmitigated disaster
3. Fires Fulmer - Still a good decision in my mind, but could not have been botched any worse. Either 2 years earlier or 1 year later
4. Hires Kiffin - no words necessary
5. Hires Dooley - again no words
6. Hires Bruce - even the sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then
7. Fires Bruce - Most successful basketball coach in recent history, possible ever in a short amount of time. Allows internal AD and Chancellor to hang Bruce out to dry
8. Hires Cuonzo - completely unqualified for the position
9. Hires Serrano - appears to a good hire
10. Allowed the academic side to overtake the AD making it more difficult to win in all sports

Hart Years
1. Fires Dooley - no question the right move
2. Hires Butch - botched the entire process, but results matter. However this is a hold b/c Butch has not won a thing yet. I think we are all optimistic.
3. Allowed Bruce to got to an SEC school. This is an indictment of our AD. You could not allow this. This will undercut our program for years to come. Cuonzo now HAS to be the answer, b/c all success will be measured against Bruce.

And of course let's not forgot all the arrests, scandals, NCAA probation, punishments, lawsuits (from the joining of men's and women's programs), the firing of Pat Summitt, etc.
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You had me all the way to Pat. Alzheimer's fired Pat. God bless her for being the most consistent success this school will ever have.
 
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UGA.

They should accidentally win a NC in football and basketball each decade just on instate talent alone.
 
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Auburn cares about winning. Take a look at their coaching hire history.

Tubberville- undefeated season in 2004. Owns bama. Loses to bama once and has a rough patch - fired

Hire - Chizik - wins national title, starts tanked - fired

Hire Malzahn - wins the SEC, play in national title game in his 1st year

Now they are taking the same approach to hoops. Go and get someone who will win. They made the best possible hire they could make.

They don't sit around and say "but who would want to come here after a coach gets fired so soon?" or "Who would come here when their fans want you fired after you had an undefeated season or won a national title?"

They want to win and that is their primary goal as an athletic department. That's not the case at UT.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Auburn cares about winning. Take a look at their coaching hire history.

Tubberville- undefeated season in 2004. Owns bama. Loses to bama once and has a rough patch - fired

Hire - Chizik - wins national title, starts tanked - fired

Hire Malzahn - wins the SEC, play in national title game in his 1st year

Now they are taking the same approach to hoops. Go and get someone who will win. They made the best possible hire they could make.

They don't sit around and say "but who would want to come here after a coach gets fired so soon?" or "Who would come here when their fans want you fired after you had an undefeated season or won a national title?"

They want to win and that is their primary goal as an athletic department. That's not the case at UT.
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They've also cheated to do so. Says a lot about their hires...
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Auburn cares about winning. Take a look at their coaching hire history.

Tubberville- undefeated season in 2004. Owns bama. Loses to bama once and has a rough patch - fired

Hire - Chizik - wins national title, starts tanked - fired

Hire Malzahn - wins the SEC, play in national title game in his 1st year

Now they are taking the same approach to hoops. Go and get someone who will win. They made the best possible hire they could make.

They don't sit around and say "but who would want to come here after a coach gets fired so soon?" or "Who would come here when their fans want you fired after you had an undefeated season or won a national title?"

They want to win and that is their primary goal as an athletic department. That's not the case at UT.
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yes, but at what cost. You forgot to mention that they interviewed Bobby Petrino while they still had a coach, who led them to an undefeated season the next year.
They made a horrible hire with Chizik and lucked out by having a good OC whom they were able to bring back as HC. They bought a QB and had a defensive line that played dirty all year in 2010. I don't want to be Auburn.

I am good with being Tennessee. Things are going to get better. Every school has rough periods. We are better than Auburn. Always have been. Always will be.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
yes, but at what cost. You forgot to mention that they interviewed Bobby Petrino while they still had a coach, who led them to an undefeated season the next year.
They made a horrible hire with Chizik and lucked out by having a good OC whom they were able to bring back as HC. They bought a QB and had a defensive line that played dirty all year in 2010. I don't want to be Auburn.

I am good with being Tennessee. Things are going to get better. Every school has rough periods. We are better than Auburn. Always have been. Always will be.
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You are just making my point. They hire Chizik who wins a national title. They realize it was a fluke and pop him immediately. What do you think UT would have done?

They are interviewing another great coach while they are still a winning program with an established coach. They don't settle. Tennessee does.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
yes, but at what cost. You forgot to mention that they interviewed Bobby Petrino while they still had a coach, who led them to an undefeated season the next year.
They made a horrible hire with Chizik and lucked out by having a good OC whom they were able to bring back as HC. They bought a QB and had a defensive line that played dirty all year in 2010. I don't want to be Auburn.

I am good with being Tennessee. Things are going to get better. Every school has rough periods. We are better than Auburn. Always have been. Always will be.
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While you are correct about schools having rough patches, you aren't taking into account that no school has ever had rough periods in three different programs at the same time. Women's basketball dipped a little bit but it is on its way up, but I would love to know how much money was lost in football and basketball over the last 3.5 years cause it has to be monumental. Never have I seen a major university get snake bitten in multiple programs at the same time.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
You are just making my point. They hire Chizik who wins a national title. They realize it was a fluke and pop him immediately. What do you think UT would have done?

They are interviewing another great coach while they are still a winning program with an established coach. They don't settle. Tennessee does.
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I can agree that Tennessee has settled recently with some hires, but I also think circumstances played a role. With basketball, we had NCAA hanging over our heads, courtesy of Bruce Pearl. Most fans ignore this fact. Funny how so many fans want to play the "woe is me" card and are whining about not hiring the very guy who helped create the lull we are in. Auburn is slimy. They employ one of the very people who helped put Pearl out of coaching for 3 years. The UTAD has been bad the last few years. I get that. However, I think our perspective is being affected a bit. Auburn hired Jeff Lebo and Tony Barbee in recent years. That is settling. Then, they are lucky enough to have a guy sitting there off NCAA sanctions that likely won't be touched by bigger programs. It was low hanging fruit. It wasn't tough to make that hire. I am not going to applaud them for it.
 
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whobethis16 said:
They've also cheated to do so. Says a lot about their hires...
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When is the last time they were put on probation?

When is the last time we were put on probation?

I'd be happy with their form of "cheating" - getting big wins over our rivals, competing regularly for championships, and never facing any consequences. Sign me up!
 
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whobethis16 said:
They've also cheated to do so. Says a lot about their hires...
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Their cheating doesn't concern me. I'm talking about their commitment to winning.

Do you think their administration ever thought "Who could we get if we fire Tubberville? He has won a lot of games." or "We can't fire Gene Chizik. He won a national title a couple years ago." They also don't believe the biggest lie of all: "No one will want to coach here after they see how we fire coaches so quickly." They know the truth. Winners don't concern themselves with what happens to losers.

They didn't let Tubberville sink their program into mediocrity like Tennessee did with Fulmer. Then after Chizik fluked his way to a national title, they recognized the problem and fixed it just two seasons removed from a national title. Tennessee, meanwhile hung on to Derek Dooley for a third year. Think about that. Chizik wins a national title and gets fired two years later. Dooley is a loser from the word go and he's allowed to pile drive this program into irrelevancy for 3 freakin years.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
You are just making my point. They hire Chizik who wins a national title. They realize it was a fluke and pop him immediately. What do you think UT would have done?

They are interviewing another great coach while they are still a winning program with an established coach. They don't settle. Tennessee does.
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they popped him because they had his successor in their back pocket. It wasn't like they had to go out and back up the Brinks truck and make a homerun. They were lucky enough to have had their guy on staff.

The fact that you think interviewing Petrino whle they had Tuberville is mind boggling, especially since you point to Tubby being a notch on the belt for them. Tubs led them to an unbeaten season the next year. You want UT to go out interviewing other coaches behind the scenes while they have successful coaches (as Auburn did then)?

Our womens bball coach got a horrific disease. the AD played no part in that. Our mens coached lied and lied, AD played no part in that. The AD has made some dumb hires, but there are some circumstances OP pointed out that have nothing to do with people in the AD.

I don't want to be Auburn. I am not envious. UT is getting back.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
While you are correct about schools having rough patches, you aren't taking into account that no school has ever had rough periods in three different programs at the same time. Women's basketball dipped a little bit but it is on its way up, but I would love to know how much money was lost in football and basketball over the last 3.5 years cause it has to be monumental. Never have I seen a major university get snake bitten in multiple programs at the same time.
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Yeah, I agree with that. I have mostly talking about the original post in which many facts were left out about the state of the AD. Hamilton was very bad. Jury is out on Hart imo but so far Butch looks like a nice hire. Some of the things UT has been through were not the fault of the athletic department, or Cheek, although they deserve blame for a lot. Bruce Pearl created a mess that made it hard to hire a good bball coach. Pat got a horrible disease. Those are 2 factors that AD doesn't deserve blame for.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
I can agree that Tennessee has settled recently with some hires, but I also think circumstances played a role. With basketball, we had NCAA hanging over our heads, courtesy of Bruce Pearl. Most fans ignore this fact. Funny how so many fans want to play the "woe is me" card and are whining about not hiring the very guy who helped create the lull we are in. Auburn is slimy. They employ one of the very people who helped put Pearl out of coaching for 3 years. The UTAD has been bad the last few years. I get that. However, I think our perspective is being affected a bit. Auburn hired Jeff Lebo and Tony Barbee in recent years. That is settling. Then, they are lucky enough to have a guy sitting there off NCAA sanctions that likely won't be touched by bigger programs. It was low hanging fruit. It wasn't tough to make that hire. I am not going to applaud them for it.
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I get that. I understand how Tennessee ended up with Cuonzo Martin. We knew we were hiring a guy who didn't deserve this job. That doesn't mean they are stuck with him. They can fix that mistake and make a better hire.

They need to take the Auburn approach. Ask yourself: "Is this the right guy for our program? Is he going to win as much as possible or could we do better?"

If Tennessee believes Cuonzo Martin is their guy (I don't see how that is possible) then that would be fine. Sign him up to a long term deal and give him a raise. If they don't believe he's their guy then fire him. The thing that concerns me most is that he will be kept here based on this line of thinking: "well, you can't fire a coach when he makes the NCAA in his 3rd year." That school of thought is why we are in the shape we are in.

Tennessee let Fulmer, Dooley, Raleigh and Buzz Peterson stay here too long. One more year of Cuonzo Martin will just be another mistake.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
they popped him because they had his successor in their back pocket. It wasn't like they had to go out and back up the Brinks truck and make a homerun. They were lucky enough to have had their guy on staff.

The fact that you think interviewing Petrino whle they had Tuberville is mind boggling, especially since you point to Tubby being a notch on the belt for them. Tubs led them to an unbeaten season the next year. You want UT to go out interviewing other coaches behind the scenes while they have successful coaches (as Auburn did then)?

Our womens bball coach got a horrific disease. the AD played no part in that. Our mens coached lied and lied, AD played no part in that. The AD has made some dumb hires, but there are some circumstances OP pointed out that have nothing to do with people in the AD.

I don't want to be Auburn. I am not envious. UT is getting back.
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Interviewing Petrino is just another example of their desire to win. Always looking to better themselves.

I'm not talking about women's basketball. It is not a concern to me.

I'm not defending Bruce Pearl. I understand why he got fired.

I'm glad you feel UT is getting back. I think Hart is a good AD. Maybe I'm jaded from the Hamilton years. We will see.

This basketball program can be a nationally relevant program if our AD will just believe in it and not settle for mediocrity. You don't build Pratt Pavilion, renovate TBA into one of the nicest arenas in the country, generate top 10 attendance and then let it die on the vine.
 
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Even if we had Bruce back, next year's team is going to be very rough to watch. We are losing McRae, Maymon, Barton, Edwards, and probably Stokes. Our best player will be Richardson. That's gonna be tough for any coach, so might as well keep Cuonzo. But hey, we're in the tournament so let's support them!
 
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