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UT IE 95 said:
Gotcha. Star service rankings.
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What other service would you like to use? Randolph had offers from big time programs, once again Richardson not so much.

Like I said, Alabama has the second most talent in the SEC, if they aren't playing like it or developing it who's fault it that?
 
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Maybe UT IE can tell us how Grant managed to lose to Dayton, Mercer and Tulane in home losses against all three. Then we can listen to his argument how Bama wasn't as talented too.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Maybe UT IE can tell us how Grant managed to lose to Dayton, Mercer and Tulane in home losses against all three. Then we can listen to his argument how Bama wasn't as talented too.
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I just read some where that a team that loss those games is Zo's signature win lol
 
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volbeast33 said:
I just read some where that a team that loss those games is Zo's signature win lol
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Yeah I don't know why anyone would say that. People have really short memories. We beat Florida twice last year, so you could call either of those a signature win.

And if you want to only talk about this season, this wasn't even our best win. Wichita State would be the 'signature win' of the season.

Bama was a nice win. Nothing more.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
What other service would you like to use? Randolph had offers from big time programs, once again Richardson not so much.

Like I said, Alabama has the second most talent in the SEC, if they aren't playing like it or developing it who's fault it that?
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They say confession is good for the soul. Since Martin inherited 5 4*'s to start last year I am glad that you finally admit it.
 
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knowthevols said:
They say confession is good for the soul. Since Martin inherited 5 4*'s to start last year I am glad that you finally admit it.
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Ok...what's your point? Those weren't his players, he didn't coach them for the previous however many years. Kind of a different situation than those all being Grant's players.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
What other service would you like to use? Randolph had offers from big time programs, once again Richardson not so much.

Like I said, Alabama has the second most talent in the SEC, if they aren't playing like it or developing it who's fault it that?
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You act like a talent rating service is accurate. They are right about 50% of the time. Once the players hit the floor in college throw out the service and use your eyes for talent assessment. If you still believe UaT is vastly superior in talent than UT that is certainly your right.

I disagree.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
You act like a talent rating service is accurate. They are right about 50% of the time. Once the players hit the floor in college throw out the service and use your eyes for talent assessment. If you still believe UaT is vastly superior in talent than UT that is certainly your right.

I disagree.
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Like I said, if it was one or two pieces ok, maybe the rating was just bad. However, Alabama is loaded with 4&5 stars, it shocked me when I looked it up as well, because their play certainly doesn't resemble that talent.

But who's fault is that? Did scouts of recruiting services/schools miss on all 8 guys from Bama, or are they not being developed properly once they get to Tuscaloosa?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, if it was one or two pieces ok, maybe the rating was just bad. However, Alabama is loaded with 4&5 stars, it shocked me when I looked it up as well, because their play certainly doesn't resemble that talent.

But who's fault is that? Did scouts of recruiting services/schools miss on all 8 guys from Bama, or are they not being developed properly once they get to Tuscaloosa?
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The rankings were crap, they are busts, the coaching is bad, etc etc. The reasons go on and on. Fact is, I believe UT has more talent than UaT.

I'm not sure how your post supports your position that UaT is uber talented above UT, but whatever.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
The rankings were crap, they are busts, the coaching is bad, etc etc. The reasons go on and on. Fact is, I believe UT has more talent than UaT.

I'm not sure how your post supports your position that UaT is uber talented above UT, but whatever.
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So is Tennessee more talented than Kentucky, since their talented guys aren't playing well? If we'd have beaten UM are we more talented? You seem to be saying talent is their exact production you see at that moment, talent IMO has to do with potential as well. Like I said, one or two guys ok, but they are playing all highly rated guys...if they're not producing like they should I have a hard time thinking they're all busts.

So if they've been poorly developed, does that mean they aren't talented anymore? IMO, no, but you seem to think the opposite.
 
#62
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, if it was one or two pieces ok, maybe the rating was just bad. However, Alabama is loaded with 4&5 stars, it shocked me when I looked it up as well, because their play certainly doesn't resemble that talent.

But who's fault is that? Did scouts of recruiting services/schools miss on all 8 guys from Bama, or are they not being developed properly once they get to Tuscaloosa?
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Wouldn't that mean Martin is doing a horrible job recruiting bc in three yrs of recruiting, he has brought in two players 4 stars or better. You can't have it both ways.
 
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#63
Obviously my idea of a guy with basketball talent is different than yours. No problem.

I like UT's roster except for the PG. Could UT use a releford - absolutely in a bad way. But top to bottom and bench, I'd take our guys.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Wouldn't that mean Martin is doing a horrible job recruiting bc in three yrs of recruiting, he has brought in two players 4 stars or better. You can't have it both ways.
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IMO cuonzo is just a terrible coach and planner. He's brought in some solid talent, they are just having to overcome the coaching at this point.

If you ignore the star gazing trap, and look at our guys on the floor, we have some nice pieces. The biggest gap for cuonzo's recruiting is PG, obviously. He planned to rely on golden, and as it has been pointed out on here many times, that was a bad move.
 
#65
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volbeast33 said:
Wouldn't that mean Martin is doing a horrible job recruiting bc in three yrs of recruiting, he has brought in two players 4 stars or better. You can't have it both ways.
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Yes it would mean that, I don't think I've ever called him recruiter of the year. You and I have also gone over it time and time again why the classes have been down...but we don't agree so there's no reason to readdress that. When this class finishes top 20 we'll see if he can recruit huh?
 
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UT IE 95 said:
IMO cuonzo is just a terrible coach and planner. He's brought in some solid talent, they are just having to overcome the coaching at this point.

If you ignore the star gazing trap, and look at our guys on the floor, we have some nice pieces. The biggest gap for cuonzo's recruiting is PG, obviously. He planned to rely on golden, and as it has been pointed out on here many times, that was a bad move.
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I agree that we have some decent pieces.....besides stokes of course, I'm worried about his big man and pg recruiting. Moore, reese, and Richardson have been more solid than I thought they would be. I'm still not sold that some of them will be able to step into bigger roles when that time comes.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Obviously my idea of a guy with basketball talent is different than yours. No problem.

I like UT's roster except for the PG. Could UT use a releford - absolutely in a bad way. But top to bottom and bench, I'd take our guys.
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That's fair.

I'd take gueye over hall, steele over Mcbee and probably a couple others. 8 man rotation it's probably about 4 from each team I'd take honestly. Jordan, josh, Jarnell and maybe Armani. I'd take Lacey, releford, cooper and gueye for sure from Bama.

My point still remains though...is grant just not that good of a coach? If talent is in his favor or even equal, but he got beat by the terrible CCM what's that say about him? CCMs recruiting hasn't been great, but he seems to be able to develop some guys that's for sure.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes it would mean that, I don't think I've ever called him recruiter of the year. You and I have also gone over it time and time again why the classes have been down...but we don't agree so there's no reason to readdress that. When this class finishes top 20 we'll see if he can recruit huh?
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If he adds a legitimate point guard in the spring, I will be very happy with his next class......if not could care less what it's rated.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That's fair.

I'd take gueye over hall, steele over Mcbee and probably a couple others. 8 man rotation it's probably about 4 from each team I'd take honestly. Jordan, josh, Jarnell and maybe Armani. I'd take Lacey, releford, cooper and gueye for sure from Bama.

My point still remains though...is grant just not that good of a coach? If talent is in his favor or even equal, but he got beat by the terrible CCM what's that say about him? CCMs recruiting hasn't been great, but he seems to be able to develop some guys that's for sure.
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Grant would beat cuonzo 7 out of 10 games with equal rosters.

Grant beat cuonzo last season with what 4 scholly players?
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Grant would beat cuonzo 7 out of 10 games with equal rosters.

Grant beat cuonzo last season with what 4 scholly players?
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And split this year with a much more talented roster. Grant has greatly underachieved in his 4 years at Bama, he misses the tourney again this year and his seat will be warm next year. With the talent he has been bringing in there's no reason he should continuously miss the dance...he can thank saban though.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Grant would beat cuonzo 7 out of 10 games with equal rosters.

Grant beat cuonzo last season with what 4 scholly players?
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And yet you still can't explain why Grant lost to Dayton, Mercer and Tulane at home with better talent.

Hilarious. The cluelessness continues.
 
#73
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bleedingTNorange said:
And split this year with a much more talented roster. Grant has greatly underachieved in his 4 years at Bama, he misses the tourney again this year and his seat will be warm next year. With the talent he has been bringing in there's no reason he should continuously miss the dance...he can thank saban though.
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ehh. We'll just agree to disagree on the talent. You use high school rating service stars. I'm using the evidence from two head-to-head games.

IMO, those are two teams with very little separation in talent.

And I agree on Grant, there is no excuse for not making the tourney considering how terrible the SEC is. And frankly, I hold cuonzo to the same measuring stick as well.
 
#74
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If people wanted to laugh at Dooley saying his first year was year 0, then maybe I could understand. But, basketball is totally different with an early signing period. CCM has not had 3 years to recruit- actually not even 2 calendar years yet. You can't expect much when you are hired in April when the best talent has signed, and any remaining talent has already developed remationships. CCM's first real class was Moore and Reese, which both have some upside.

He stepped it up with Hubbs and a decent AJ Davis. I have been a little diappointed with his PG recruiting. He needs to step up with that, and he looks like he is addressing it. Will he sign the right one? We won't know for a year. But, it is glaring that this team needs a PG and some more confidence down low with Stokes and a healthy Maymon. The team should be good next year, but it is akin to what I learned about logistics and manufacturing philosophy at UT- you are only as good as your weakest link. If he can't find a serviceable PG, then the team will be held back.
 
#75
#75
^very well said.

That's my biggest fear. Even without adding another PG next years team is NCAA bound (if not he's out no questions asked), but I don't want just a NCAA trip. With a good PG an manager of the team next years team can be VERY good.
 
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