Can we dispel the myth of the 'moderate democrat' once and for all??

[sjt18]

There are very few moderates in either party. The large majority are for big government. Their rhetoric may fool you, but the majority legislates in support of big government. Then there are a few small government guys like Ron Paul. Then there are a few moderates like Chris Christie and Paul Ryan.

Mostly agree with this statement.

I would add a few more names to the small gov't list but most of the time the argument is over what to do with the spoils... and not whether to take them.

 

[RespectTradition]

My response only addressed your short question that a majority would agree with cuts. You are now getting into details. This is where resistance forms. Would a TPer fuss over where the cuts came from as long as their were cuts? I'd say probably. What is the TP's stance on subsidizing agri-business, oil companies, or similar private enterprise? How is this practice fundamentally any different than the subsidizing of GM? Are all cuts equal because they are cuts, or are govt subsidies ok in select instances? See, there lies the sticking point for people. It's going to differ based on individual perception.

I agree the budget is bloated like a run over possum on the side of the road in the middle of July.But, People will have vast difference based on their situation/the impact on them in regards to solutions.
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Not trying to argue with you, but I think there is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. You speak as if the TP was a real party, with organization and leadership, a headquarters and a caucus. This is untrue. I know lot's of people who support the some of the TP principles but who consider themselves Dems. And I know lots of Reps that hate the TP with an unholy passion. I think the TP is more of an idea than a group. As such, there is no platform or individual planks. It is just a bunch of everyday people who are sick of the crap who are self organizing at the local level. I don't think it is possible to get any specifics about what the TP wants to cut or keep.

 

[JayVols]

Not trying to argue with you, but I think there is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. You speak as if the TP was a real party, with organization and leadership, a headquarters and a caucus. This is untrue. I know lot's of people who support the some of the TP principles but who consider themselves Dems. And I know lots of Reps that hate the TP with an unholy passion. I think the TP is more of an idea than a group. As such, there is no platform or individual planks. It is just a bunch of everyday people who are sick of the crap who are self organizing at the local level. I don't think it is possible to get any specifics about what the TP wants to cut or keep.

I understand what you are saying. Tradition, we don't agree on everything, but you have always been a decent fellow. I didn't take it as arguing with me. Don't worry about offending me for lack of a better term.

I really didn't mean the TP as an actual party. I can see why one would get the impression that I was. I meant for the questions to be taken in a general manner. Would people that identify as TP supporters support some cuts and oppose others? Does it have to be solely social program cuts or would they support cuts in defense, corporate subsidies, etc? I guess what I am ultimately asking are cuts, cuts or do they need to be more specific from a person that identifies as a TP values supporter? Also, how do they reason that the subsidizing of GM is different in some way as other corporate (oil, agriculture) subsidy?
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[RespectTradition]

I understand what you are saying. Tradition, we don't agree on everything, but you have always been a decent fellow. I didn't take it as arguing with me. Don't worry about offending me for lack of a better term.

I really didn't mean the TP as an actual party. I can see why one would get the impression that I was. I meant for the questions to be taken in a general manner. Would people that identify as TP supporters support some cuts and oppose others? Does it have to be solely social program cuts or would they support cuts in defense, corporate subsidies, etc? I guess what I am ultimately asking are cuts, cuts or do they need to be more specific from a person that identifies as a TP values supporter? Also, how do they reason that the subsidizing of GM is different in some way as other corporate (oil, agriculture) subsidy?
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I can support the idea of the TP, but I think that a lot of typical Rep hacks are trying to hijack it to make hay and that means that in practice, the TP will flame out. The best we can hope for is that it brings the Reps back a little closer to their roots.

Here are things I would cut:

all corporate welfare
all farm subsidies
all research grants
all funding for any military bases not on US soil
all endowments for arts/media/etc
drug war
end the Dept of Ed
end the Dept of Commerce
end the NLRB
end Dept of Housing/Urban development
end Dept Homeland Security
end FBI, ATF, DEA
end NASA
more stuff I don't remember

Here are things I would overhaul and start stepping down:

Social Security
Welfare
Medicare/Medicaid


Here are things I would privatize:

FAA
USPS
Park Service

There are more, but that is just off the top of my head.

 

[KiffinKiller]

Not sure privatizing the USPS would save it.

 

[MUR73]

Here is Websters Definition of Socialism. In case any here is curious what your/my reps are all about.

so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Definition of SOCIALISM

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

You Libs man up and tell me , who is the real "extremists" the Tea Party people or these POS.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Here is Websters Definition of Socialism. In case any here is curious what your/my reps are all about.

so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Definition of SOCIALISM

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

wtf
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[MUR73]

I can support the idea of the TP, but I think that a lot of typical Rep hacks are trying to hijack it to make hay and that means that in practice, the TP will flame out. The best we can hope for is that it brings the Reps back a little closer to their roots.

Here are things I would cut:

all corporate welfare
all farm subsidies
all research grants
all funding for any military bases not on US soil
all endowments for arts/media/etc
drug war
end the Dept of Ed
end the Dept of Commerce
end the NLRB
end Dept of Housing/Urban development
end Dept Homeland Security
end FBI, ATF, DEA
end NASA
more stuff I don't remember

Here are things I would overhaul and start stepping down:

Social Security
Welfare
Medicare/Medicaid


Here are things I would privatize:

FAA
USPS
Park Service

There are more, but that is just off the top of my head.

And please eliminate or Privatize that MultiMillion dollar subsidized mess that is Amtrak.

 

[MUR73]

socialist party of america releases the names of 70 democrat members of congress who are members of their caucus:



there are plenty of senators with the same ideology as sanders, notably john kerry and harry reid.

Why isn't nancy pelosi on the list??

She may not be a declared member but she sure is their leader and there are plenty more democrats who vote with this socialist caucus.

The leftest controled media of this country will describe them as 'centrists' and describe any that is anywhere near the basic citizen of this country who is center-right as 'radical right wing.'

sadly tennessee has one rep on the list, let's vote him out next election!

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this!!!!

 

[gsvol]

Here is Websters Definition of Socialism. In case any here is curious what your/my reps are all about.

so·cial·ism noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Definition of SOCIALISM

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

You Libs man up and tell me , who is the real "extremists" the Tea Party people or these POS.

Rots of ruck on that, getting a lib to man up is like
inviting a yeti to brunch, you may have high hopes
but somehow you know no one is going to show up.

Just heard an interview with Herman Cain in which he
said; "liberal can't debate anything, if they disagree
they immediatly call you names and attack your
character."

We see that on a daily basis on this board in nearly
every thread.

 

[lawgator1]

Rots of ruck on that, getting a lib to man up is like
inviting a yeti to brunch, you may have high hopes
but somehow you know no one is going to show up.

Just heard an interview with Herman Cain in which he
said; "liberal can't debate anything, if they disagree
they immediatly call you names and attack your
character."

We see that on a daily basis on this board in nearly
every thread.

This is true. You call me all sorts of names.

 

[KiffinKiller]

yep. pot calling kettle black in classic fashion.

 

[gsvol]

No Muslims itt.

Pass.

Actually all known moslems in congress are on the
membership list of the socialist party.

The Obama legacy:

This is true. You call me all sorts of names.

What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander.

yep. pot calling kettle black in classic fashion.

What a crock!!

I quoted Herman Cain, when has he called anyone a
name.

OTOH the liberals have attacked him and Alan West
hammer and tongs with most vile personal attacks.

You connection to me is a fig newton of your imagination.

Obama goes to a primary school to talk to the kids to
get a little PR. After his talk he offers question time.

One little boy puts up his hand and Obama asks him
his name.

" Walter," responds the little boy.

"And what is your question, Walter?"

"I have 4 questions:

First, why did the USA Bomb Libya without the support
of the Congress?

Second, why do you keep saying you fixed the economy
when it's actually worse?

Third, why did you say that Jeremiah Wright was your
mentor, then said that you knew nothing about his
preachings and beliefs?

Fourth, why are we so worried about Brazil drilling for
oil, but we aren't allowed to?"

Just then, the bell rings for recess. Obama informs the
kiddies that they will continue after recess.

When they resume Obama says, "OK, where were we?
Oh, that's right: question time. Who has a question?"

Another little boy puts up his hand. Obama points him
out and asks him his name.

"Steve," he responds.

"And what is your question, Steve?"

Actually, I have 6 questions.

First, why did the USA Bomb Libya without the support
of the Congress?

Second, why do you keep saying you fixed the economy
when it's actually worse?

Third, why did you say that Jeremiah Wright was your
mentor, then said that you knew nothing about his
preachings and beliefs?

Fourth, why are we so worried about Brazil drilling for oil,
but we aren't allowed to?

Fifth, why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early?

And sixth, what happened to Walter ?"

 

[OrangeEmpire]

gs.....man I havent missed your crazy long posts but I have missed our military conspiracy talks.....our last one was the patton assasination, right?
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[RespectTradition]

Not sure privatizing the USPS would save it.

Yeah, I don't really care if it survives or not. If it provides a service people want at a price they will pay, then it will survive. If it doesn't, we obviously don't need it.

 

[lawgator1]

Yeah, I don't really care if it survives or not. If it provides a service people want at a price they will pay, then it will survive. If it doesn't, we obviously don't need it.

Agree. And, when you think about it, the USPS is an excellent example of the need for people to be willing to let go of antiquated and outdated staples, if you will, of 18th and 19th century America.

The USPS was at one point the backbone of the country. It was the only way to communicate across distances of more than a few towns away. Private industry could be used for some functions, but every day communications? No, too costly.

But now? The cost to maintain it, when we can communicate more effectively and more efficiently in a matter of seconds, its just not there.

Just because its function was critical 200 years ago is no reason to hang onto it.

 

[RespectTradition]

Agree. And, when you think about it, the USPS is an excellent example of the need for people to be willing to let go of antiquated and outdated staples, if you will, of 18th and 19th century America.

The USPS was at one point the backbone of the country. It was the only way to communicate across distances of more than a few towns away. Private industry could be used for some functions, but every day communications? No, too costly.

But now? The cost to maintain it, when we can communicate more effectively and more efficiently in a matter of seconds, its just not there.

Just because its function was critical 200 years ago is no reason to hang onto it.

Uh oh, you agreed with me. Its a double whammy, not only are you a liberal, you are a gator. Crap! Now I gotta go rethink my entire position on the USPS!!!!!

:angel:

 

[gsvol]

gs.....man I havent missed your crazy long posts but I have missed our military conspiracy talks.....our last one was the patton assasination, right?
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Yep.

How about Larry Patton McDonald.

KIA or MIA?