Can we get 28 commitments by NSD?

#51
#51
Sabanocchio said:
Can we? Yes, will we? Probably not.

You have to remember, we could fill the rest of this class with 3 stars that Lane turned away. Doesn't mean Dooley would take them all, but yeah, we could fill this class up no problem.

I happen to think, thought that we will leave some spaces for room next year.
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This is where I'm confused on Scholarships? I have read so many things that contradict each other....
If we can only recruit 28 Scholly players a year, how can we save some for next year??? And if that is the case why would we not fill this class with some 2 and 3 * players?

Someone who understands this better, please help a brah out??
 
#52
#52
FEARinSEC said:
This is where I'm confused on Scholarships? I have read so many things that contradict each other....
If we can only recruit 28 Scholly players a year, how can we save some for next year??? And if that is the case why would we not fill this class with some 2 and 3 * players?

Someone who understands this better, please help a brah out??
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As I understand it, if we enroll fewer than 27 in 2010, say 3, then 3 early enrollees next year can be back counted against our shortfall in 2010. We could then still enroll 25 more next year for a total of 28.
 
#53
#53
Billy Antrim said:
As I understand it, if we enroll fewer than 27 in 2010, say 3, then 3 early enrollees next year can be back counted against our shortfall in 2010. We could then still enroll 25 more next year for a total of 28.
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Is there a limit to how many can be back counted?
 
#56
#56
With some of the top players waiting till NSD, I'm sure that there will be some 3* players left out in the cold when some of the top programs get their limit. Like Miami for ex. they have 25 commits and alot of the top uncommitted players have them as their finalist. So that will leave some 3* players without a scholly. Thats going to happen at alot of schools. If we don't have a full class NSD, I see us getting some late signees and looking in the JC ranks for a couple of bodies. But lets see what happens between now and NSD.
 
#57
#57
bigtennvol said:
With some of the top players waiting till NSD, I'm sure that there will be some 3* players left out in the cold when some of the top programs get their limit. Like Miami for ex. they have 25 commits and alot of the top uncommitted players have them as their finalist. So that will leave some 3* players without a scholly. Thats going to happen at alot of schools. If we don't have a full class NSD, I see us getting some late signees and looking in the JC ranks for a couple of bodies. But lets see what happens between now and NSD.
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The 28 scholarship rule only applies to SEC schools. The NCAA has a larger limit, and other conferences can sign more players. Ole Miss and Slive screwed that up for us last year.
 
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#58
volfan4evr said:
The 28 scholarship rule only applies to SEC schools. The NCAA has a larger limit, and other conferences can sign more players. Ole Miss and Slive screwed that up for us last year.
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No. The NCAA limit per academic year is 25. If you oversign you have to be able to backcount or sign and place in prep or JC.
 
#60
#60
some people forget we are tennessee. if the staff can sell, "hey you can be the first class to help rebuild this program" i think we can get as many as we want.
 
#61
#61
UTvolinBGKY said:
some people forget we are tennessee. if the staff can sell, "hey you can be the first class to help rebuild this program" i think we can get as many as we want.
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I agree I think we should be able to get the limit. They may not be all 4 or 5 stars but I think people put too much stock in stars anyway. We need kids who dream of running through the T to the sound of Rocky Top and 106,000 screaming football freaks. Go gettum CDD!:rock:
 
#63
#63
I like coach Dooley! his recruiting is realistic to the need of his team and the type of talent the school can pull. I think we will be fine as soon as we will get over this crap with x coach. I don't see us set back five years or even two
 
#64
#64
I agree I think we should be able to get the limit. They may not be all 4 or 5 stars but I think people put too much stock in stars anyway. We need kids who dream of running through the T to the sound of Rocky Top and 106,000 screaming football freaks. Go gettum CDD!
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f them stars lets get the kids that want to play for UT and are going to work their AZZ off! We have be to spoiled as a fan base lets show some FREAKING UT PRIDE!!!!GO MOTHERF-ING VOLS :rock:
 
#65
#65
FEARinSEC said:
This is where I'm confused on Scholarships? I have read so many things that contradict each other....
If we can only recruit 28 Scholly players a year, how can we save some for next year??? And if that is the case why would we not fill this class with some 2 and 3 * players?

Someone who understands this better, please help a brah out??
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Here's the deal: SEC rules allow either 27 or 28 (i believe it's 28) enrollees per year. The NCAA rule only allows 25 THUS the SEC rule is meaningless. SO, we can sign a maximum of 25 players per year that are admitted to school for that year. We are allowed to sign up to 27 for 2010, 25 that count for 2010 and 2 can be back counted to 2009. We can sign more but any amount over 27 in this class must be placed in Junior College etc.
 
#66
#66
Ok, here's how it could happen:

We get delvon Jones back.
We pull 1 recruit from Texas Tech.
We pull 2 from Georgia.
One from some other school.
Markeith Ambles decides to come back.
Pick up Neal at RB.
Nash
Rogers
We're at 25 right there.

28 could be done ... but we need things to fall into place.
 
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Here's the deal: SEC rules allow either 27 or 28 (i believe it's 28) enrollees per year. The NCAA rule only allows 25 THUS the SEC rule is meaningless. SO, we can sign a maximum of 25 players per year that are admitted to school for that year. We are allowed to sign up to 27 for 2010, 25 that count for 2010 and 2 can be back counted to 2009. We can sign more but any amount over 27 in this class must be placed in Junior College etc.
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You can only sign only 28. 25 per academic year.
 
#68
#68
FEARinSEC said:
This is where I'm confused on Scholarships? I have read so many things that contradict each other....
If we can only recruit 28 Scholly players a year, how can we save some for next year??? And if that is the case why would we not fill this class with some 2 and 3 * players?

Someone who understands this better, please help a brah out??
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We can "recruit" as many as we want. We can only sign 28 per year. We can only enroll 25. This year 2 of our early enrollees backcount to the last class because that class consisted of only 23 enrolled. So if we "sign" 25 this year, 2 of those backcount leaving 23. Even if all enroll, there will still be 2 spots that we can backcount in next year's class to this one.

Hope that makes sense.
 
#69
#69
Sabanocchio said:
We can "recruit" as many as we want. We can only sign 28 per year. We can only enroll 25. This year 2 of our early enrollees backcount to the last class because that class consisted of only 23 enrolled. So if we "sign" 25 this year, 2 of those backcount leaving 23. Even if all enroll, there will still be 2 spots that we can backcount in next year's class to this one.

Hope that makes sense.
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Clear as mud :eek:k:
 
#70
#70
ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Here's the deal: SEC rules allow either 27 or 28 (i believe it's 28) enrollees per year. The NCAA rule only allows 25 THUS the SEC rule is meaningless. SO, we can sign a maximum of 25 players per year that are admitted to school for that year. We are allowed to sign up to 27 for 2010, 25 that count for 2010 and 2 can be back counted to 2009. We can sign more but any amount over 27 in this class must be placed in Junior College etc.
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Not the case. The SEC rule is in place to prevent oversigning such as Ole Miss did last year. (the rule is in place because of them.)

You could technically sign as many players as you want up until the rule, but only 25 can enroll each year. You can always backcount if you have room in the past class, but if you enrolled 25 in the last class there is no room.

If we did have a recruiting class of 30 prospects, again, 2 of those count toward last year and we would have 3 that would have to either greyshirt or go to a junior college or prep school.
 
#71
#71
lylsmorr said:
Clear as mud :eek:k:
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I'm sorry I don't know how to explain it any better.

The numbers are like this:


2009 max 25 allowed to enroll actual enrolled 23

2010 max 25 enrolled + 2 (which is the left over room in the last class.) Only 25 count toward SEC rule of 28 signed. The 2 backcounted count toward last year.

Even though we had 8 or so early enrollees, we could only count 2 back to the last class. The rest count toward this year's numbers.

So technically, if we only enroll the 17 prospects we have committed, (2 of those backcount -- remember) Then we would have 10 spots to add to next year's class. All would have to be early enrollees to be eligible to backcount. That would give us a maximum of 35 enrolled prospects next year. That's how Auburn is signing so many this year.
 
#72
#72
Sabanocchio said:
I'm sorry I don't know how to explain it any better.

The numbers are like this:


2009 max 25 allowed to enroll actual enrolled 23

2010 max 25 enrolled + 2 (which is the left over room in the last class.) Only 25 count toward SEC rule of 28 signed. The 2 backcounted count toward last year.

Even though we had 8 or so early enrollees, we could only count 2 back to the last class. The rest count toward this year's numbers.

So technically, if we only enroll the 17 prospects we have committed, (2 of those backcount -- remember) Then we would have 10 spots to add to next year's class. All would have to be early enrollees to be eligible to backcount. That would give us a maximum of 35 enrolled prospects next year. That's how Auburn is signing so many this year.
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I'm just giving you a hard time man. A recruiting coordinator probably couldn't explain this well enough for us to understand
 
#73
#73
bigtennvol said:
They can't, the limit you can sign is 28.
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They can. They can sign 28 + however many they backcount to last year's class. They signed 28 last year, but only 20 qualified. I have no idea how many they could backcount to the previous year, but assuming 0, they have 8 additional spots they can add to the 28 number. All 8 would have to be early enrollees.
 
#75
#75
Sabanocchio said:
They can. They can sign 28 + however many they backcount to last year's class. They signed 28 last year, but only 20 qualified. I have no idea how many they could backcount to the previous year, but assuming 0, they have 8 additional spots they can add to the 28 number. All 8 would have to be early enrollees.
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Plan and simple 28 per year, 3 back counted or sign and place. 25 per academic year from Fall till Fall.
using your numbers that would be 36 for the year. The max is 28 per year. Ole Miss signed 37 last year, which got this rule started. Your saying Auburn can sign 36? No way! If you add 8 EE's to last years 20 that qualified, that would be 28 for the academic year. The max per academic year is 25, so your 3 over. The 28 for this year is 3 over, Only 25 can enroll this Fall when the academic year starts, so they would be sign and place, which gives you at least 6 over the limit.
 
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