Can we now say Billy D got lucky?

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BigPapaVol said:
Billy D lives and dies by the 3, save that period where he had an incredible combo of players that dictated a consistent winning style. Just so happens that his title teams also had some serious individual toughness that overcame the typical BD softness. UF is one of the few teams that BPs teams can essentially out-tough.

BD is never going to be accused of winning more with less.
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Post about 2004, I agree. Prior to that, however, some of his teams did overachieve in the tourney, IMO.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Post about 2004, I agree. Prior to that, however, some of his teams did overachieve in the tourney, IMO.
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presumably you mean ONE team achieved in the tourney, thanks to a last second prayer by Mike Miller to avoid another underachievement.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
presumably you mean ONE team achieved in the tourney, thanks to a last second prayer by Mike Miller to avoid another underachievement.
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You could say that of a lot of teams that have made a deep run way over their heads.
 
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OrangeNYC said:
The funniest part is reading on the ESPN convo how CBP outcoaches him every time, according to Gator fans... They wonder why Billy won't install that inbounds D, and why their press never works like ours does against them.. It made me think of hat and his dennis miller laugh track clonies. Apparently this blog is the only place in the universe where people think CBP is anything but a great coach.
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Well that's ridiculous. And so I'm gonna have to call you on it.

Here is a recent Chad Millman article from ESPN.com where he discusses some upcoming hoops games with Vegas wiseguy Alan Boston.

Here is the quote:
Florida Gators at Tennessee Volunteers -- Sunday
"This is the battle of the two worst coaches in the SEC. Bruce Pearl is just terrible, Donovan not much better.

And here is a link to the article: College Basketball - Alan Boston: In CBB betting, only one injury matters - Chad Millman - ESPN
 
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AGVOL said:
Billy D had one of the best teams in recent memory. 2 Nat'l Championships and several future NBA players. The only way he was lucky was when those guys decided to come back another year. Give him credit the man can coach, but he hasn't had the talent the last few years to do very much. He has had pretty good starters but not a very good bench. Any man that has been a coach in the Nat'l Championship game 3 times and won 2 of them is not lucky, he knows how to win and how to do things the right way. I hate Florida as much as anyone but i respect his coaching abilities. His only problem is that he can't beat us! Go Vols!
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....and those other 12 teams he loses to each year. I believe that would qualify as an additional problem.
 
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kidbourbon said:
It clearly wasn't good coaching.
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kidbourbon said:
....and those other 12 teams he loses to each year. I believe that would qualify as an additional problem.
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And this explains the difference in the mentality of the fans of the two schools.

Gator fans could give a rat's petutey about Donovan's record versus Pearl because we are focused on getting back to, and making noise in, the tournament. We are dismissive of the disparity in that particular matchup over the last 5 years because we have two national championships in the same period.

UT fans minimize the lack of Vols success in the tournament by harping on regular season wins in January.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And this explains the difference in the mentality of the fans of the two schools.

Gator fans could give a rat's petutey about Donovan's record versus Pearl because we are focused on getting back to, and making noise in, the tournament. We are dismissive of the disparity in that particular matchup over the last 5 years because we have two national championships in the same period.


UT fans minimize the lack of Vols success in the tournament by harping on regular season wins in January.
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With the "getting back to" piece being most relevant.

Your signoff sentence is absolute crap, at least as it might apply to me.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And this explains the difference in the mentality of the fans of the two schools.

Gator fans could give a rat's petutey about Donovan's record versus Pearl because we are focused on getting back to, and making noise in, the tournament. We are dismissive of the disparity in that particular matchup over the last 5 years because we have two national championships in the same period.

UT fans minimize the lack of Vols success in the tournament by harping on regular season wins in January.
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And you're not making any progress.
 
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You have a long way to go to make any noise in the NCAA. You'll be very lucky to even make the tournament, much less make any noise.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And this explains the difference in the mentality of the fans of the two schools.

Gator fans could give a rat's petutey about Donovan's record versus Pearl because we are focused on getting back to, and making noise in, the tournament. We are dismissive of the disparity in that particular matchup over the last 5 years because we have two national championships in the same period.

UT fans minimize the lack of Vols success in the tournament by harping on regular season wins in January.
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At this point, maybe Gator fans should focus on that record against Pearl and winning a few more games in January. It might help their team actually make the NCAA Tournament and not that other thing. The Michigan State game will probably be enough for a 1st or 2nd round exit this time though.
 
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How many final fours has Tennessee been to in the last 20 years? Donovan has been to the championship game 3 times in 10, so no it wasn't luck. I'll take our current 3 year skid over your current... who knows how long I don't even feel like looking it up.
 
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ih8danoles said:
How many final fours has Tennessee been to in the last 20 years? Donovan has been to the championship game 3 times in 10, so no it wasn't luck. I'll take our current 3 year skid over your current... who knows how long I don't even feel like looking it up.
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So would we. What does that change about the ongoing abortion that UF basketball is today?
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BigPapaVol said:
So would we. What does that change about the ongoing abortion that UF basketball is today?
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It says we're allowed a couple of years of mediocrity following a mass exodus of NBA starters in one to two seasons. No team short of the traditional powers like Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, UK etc can bounce back from losing that much at one time. UF basketball will be back, don't worry.
 
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SmokeyVol said:
I say he got talent more than he got lucky. That was a very talented group of players, and some have even carried over to the pros to have decent careers.
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Bingo. Players win games, not coaches. A bad coach can undermine talent, like Buzz Peterson did for us, but a good coach can't make mediocre players go to the Final Four.

"Billy D" just doesn't have the players he had a few years ago.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
presumably you mean ONE team achieved in the tourney, thanks to a last second prayer by Mike Miller to avoid another underachievement.
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Paps I know Brewer was Mcd's. What were the ratings of the rest of the repeat members?
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BigPapaVol said:
With the "getting back to" piece being most relevant.

Your signoff sentence is absolute crap, at least as it might apply to me.
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We are working on it. I think we have a reasonable chance to get back in this year.

As to the last sentence, I know you get it. Its all about March. Was referring to others, of course.



LawVol13 said:
And you're not making any progress.
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We lack athletic big men. Which describes 80 % of the teams out there today.


BasketvolsFan said:
You have a long way to go to make any noise in the NCAA. You'll be very lucky to even make the tournament, much less make any noise.
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I don't think we have to get lucky. We are hanging in there at this point.

But yes, a long ways to go to making noise.

UT is clearly going to get in, but you have yet to make the run everyone is epxecting. Don't really see it this year for you, either.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Paps I know Brewer was Mcd's. What were the ratings of the rest of the repeat members?
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Horford was a stud. Noah was a surprise and grew. Green was good. Caught lightning in a bottle, but that's part of it. Can't take that from them. Recruiting is part of it. Convincing them to satu for the second one was the coups.
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ih8danoles said:
It says we're allowed a couple of years of mediocrity following a mass exodus of NBA starters in one to two seasons. No team short of the traditional powers like Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, UK etc can bounce back from losing that much at one time. UF basketball will be back, don't worry.
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Sounds like a Fulmer quote.

Just make stuff up, it sounds better than the lame excuse above. I mean, we're talking about making the top 64 teams in the country, not winning the NBA title here.
 
#47
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BigPapaVol said:
Sounds like a Fulmer quote.

Just make stuff up, it sounds better than the lame excuse above. I mean, we're talking about making the top 64 teams in the country, not winning the NBA title here.
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More like making the Top 35, with all the crap teams that back in through tourney bids, but I get what you are saying and its time Gators start showing some life again.

We are currently 6-3 in conference. If we get to 10-6 I think we are definitely in. But 3 of the last 4 are Vandy, UT, and Kentucky, so will probably need to win one of those.
 
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lawgator1 said:
More like making the Top 35, with all the crap teams that back in through tourney bids, but I get what you are saying and its time Gators start showing some life again.

We are currently 6-3 in conference. If we get to 10-6 I think we are definitely in. But 3 of the last 4 are Vandy, UT, and Kentucky, so will probably need to win one of those.
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Good point on the 35, but it didn't sound right when I wrote it that way, so I went back to 64. Have you seen the dreck lately that rounds out the top 25 on a weekly basis? It's shameful to be out of that conversation. That said, recruiting a bunch of Vandy soft 3 point shooters will do that to you.
 
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donavon didnt get lucky he had talent ,naoh has done well in nba and horford made his first all star game mike miller has had a nice career,speights is getting alot of minuets and will be starter when delembart is a free agent,because everyone should know that philadelphi doesnt seem to want to pay players enough to be contenders,they dont like to give big money in free agency,unless it is to a player who has been injured and is well below the quality of player he was before they got them ala elton brand over 100 million wasted,and jeff ruland are the two big names.they traded the number one pick which would have been brad daugherty,and also traded moses malone and another good player,to get ruland and another mid level player.
 
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