Canada's top doc says: Canada's health-care system is sick

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UT IE 95 said:
His vision was 20/400 and was considered blind. It was fully covered at zero cost for the procedure. He can spot a dime on the floor from across the room now.
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my mom had it done in Canada too. It wasn't a cost thing but rather they couldn't do the procedure she needed in the US. They did half in TN and her Dr sent her to Canada for the follow-up surgery.

and was it fully covered in Canada but not the US? I don't understand why cost would be a factor in the decision for your friend
 
#28
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MG1968 said:
fully covered by who? is your "friend" a US citizen? if so, how does he feel knowing he screwed the Canadian taxpayers?
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Yes, he's a US citizen. I was just giving an example of someone choosing the Canadian system over his own. Although I don't approve of what he did (why I said "friend"), he couldn't be more happy with the Canadian medical system.
 
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utvolpj said:
my mom had it done in Canada too. It wasn't a cost thing but rather they couldn't do the procedure she needed in the US. They did half in TN and her Dr sent her to Canada for the follow-up surgery.

and was it fully covered in Canada but not the US? I don't understand why cost would be a factor in the decision for your friend
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It was covered in CA but not the US. It was a choice of free vs. $5K.
 
#31
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UT IE 95 said:
Yes, he's a US citizen. I was just giving an example of someone choosing the Canadian system over his own. Although I don't approve of what he did (why I said "friend"), he couldn't be more happy with the Canadian medical system.
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I just have a hard time believing he just walked across the border and had an elective surgery performed for free when there are, more than likely, thousands of Canadians on a waiting list for similar procedures.

I'll take your word for it, but I'm left thinking that there is more to this that either you aren't telling or your "friend" hasn't told you.
 
#32
#32
I spent a decent number of years in hockey and got to know quite a few Canadians. The only one who liked their healthcare system was the one who had a prominent enough name during his playing career that they wouldn't dare turn him away.

Here's my question. For all the crap Bush took on the pathetic manner in which VA hospitals are maintained and staffed or how the whole VA system is a screwjob, isn't that merely a microcosm of what a federal health care system would look like?
 
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MG1968 said:
I just have a hard time believing he just walked across the border and had an elective surgery performed for free when there are, more than likely, thousands of Canadians on a waiting list for similar procedures.

I'll take your word for it, but I'm left thinking that there is more to this that either you aren't telling or your "friend" hasn't told you.
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It was surprisingly simple. He flew up, went to the doctor. Gave them a local address and phone. He went to the house and answered the phone when they called to verify later in the day. Then he flew back up a week later and had the lasik surgery. Flew home that night.

Could be more to it, but I have no reason to doubt him since he was blind as a bat, then whamo - a couple trips to Canada and he can see perfectly.
 
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rjd970 said:
That's a loaded question. At a glance, one would think our system is more easily fixed, but the problem is the entire debate is mired in politics which drives either/or solutions and very little room for a reasonable middle ground. This makes it extremely difficult.

HC is a pick your poison debate. Get really good care for those who can afford it (free market) or mediocre to crappy care for everybody (socialized). Right now our issue is we have a free market with government intrusion short of a total coverage for everybody. Hence the out of control costs, unsustainability, and monopolization of insurance providers.
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Politicizing this issue is the lefty playbook. Buy Paul's vote in perpetuity by stealing from Peter.
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BigPapaVol said:
Politicizing this issue is the lefty playbook. Buy Paul's vote in perpetuity by stealing from Peter.
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You really don't think the right is politicizing this issue? They have this debate won on facts alone, and all I see is rowdy protests and "death panel" scare tactics.

Both sides politicize this, plain and simple. It is just the left doesn't have the luxury of being correct.
 
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rjd970 said:
You really don't think the right is politicizing this issue? They have this debate won on facts alone, and all I see is rowdy protests and "death panel" scare tactics.

Both sides politicize this, plain and simple. It is just the left doesn't have the luxury of being correct.
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you don't really think the right politicized it, except in response.

This has been a pet issue of the left for decades and the right has done a reasonable job of keeping the worst idea imaginable crammed down our collective throat. If they right made no political response, we would have France's disaster on our hands.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you don't really think the right politicized it, except in response.

This has been a pet issue of the left for decades and the right has done a reasonable job of keeping the worst idea imaginable crammed down our collective throat. If they right made no political response, we would have France's disaster on our hands.
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Just saying any insinuation the right hasn't made a political issue out of this is wrong. Response or not.
 
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rjd970 said:
Just saying any insinuation the right hasn't made a political issue out of this is wrong. Response or not.
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they absolutely have to in order to let the inevitable us vs. them win out. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is the strongest political driver in the history of the world. Fighting against is takes effort. Relying upon the silent majority to do the sensible thing has proven disastrous over and over again.
 
#39
#39
Obama to rally grass roots backers on health care

Here's some more Obama politicizing the issue, as opposed to listening and developing realistic alternatives. He doesn't want to hear that the free lunch programs have all proven disastrous and self perpetuating. He doesn't care that people don't trust the government in any way to orchestrate and administrate a program of this nature. He simply likes that it feels good and that he can point at a group of citizens to pay for it, regardless of ramifications.
 
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rjd970 said:
You really don't think the right is politicizing this issue? They have this debate won on facts alone, and all I see is rowdy protests and "death panel" scare tactics.

Both sides politicize this, plain and simple. It is just the left doesn't have the luxury of being correct.
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Facts won't bring out the troops.
 
#41
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BigPapaVol said:
they absolutely have to in order to let the inevitable us vs. them win out. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is the strongest political driver in the history of the world. Fighting against is takes effort. Relying upon the silent majority to do the sensible thing has proven disastrous over and over again.
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That is sad, but true.
 
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#45
I used to be for term limits also, but for the sake of freedom, if the people want to elect these fools........
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
I used to be for term limits also, but for the sake of freedom, if the people want to elect these fools........
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Self perpetuating governance and politician as a career are two ideas that have nothing in common with freedom or a republic.
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#47
#47
In a perfect world, congress would actually have jobs in their home states and go to washington to attempt to do something meaningful.........
 
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