Canada's Truck Convoy to Protest Mandate

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LouderVol said:
Correct. Covid never required contract tracking. The main issue with Covid is not the disease itself for the kids, but the reactions to it. Or the teachers having issues not the kids. But it's still justified with "think of the children"

Every stat says this. If you admit Covid isnt one of the times what's the point of making the argument? No one is saying no vaxxed ever, that's just the lazy argument from media and politicians that people who are anti-covid-vaccine-mandates are really just anti-vaccine. In an argument about Covid it doesnt help to point out useful, accepted, required vaccines, you are moving goalposts. We are talking about the Covid vaccine mandates.

If the government have never inserted itself into the Covid vaccine argument there wouldnt be much push back. The people who arent vaxxed dont care if others are, the problem is the government and businesses creating second class citizens based on something that even you admit shouldnt be required.
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If it is ever legitimately feared that a pandemic will kill tens of millions people, I hope that those actions are taken, it is appropriate to take those actions, not taking those actions would be unforgiveable.
Look back at the beginning of this thread -
 
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kiddiedoc said:
COVID did neither of those things, either. Terrible decisions by policy makers shut down schools, required contact tracing, and quarantined people for (at one point) as many as 24 days. Funny how it's 5 days now, same virus, and we don't send all the kids home and close down schools.
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Of course COVID did those things - they were 100% a response to COVID,
You completely missed the point.
 
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luthervol said:
Sure there is a difference. But they were mandated.
The question is, is it okay to ever mandate vaccines? and if so, when?

Some will say - no, it's never okay.
Some will say - yes, but only when.....
Those responses lead to two entirely different debates.
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Those have decades of long term studies. And the mortality rate isn't comparable between those diseases and covid.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Not just you, but I haven't seen anyone with your political affiliation on here show any anger towards Fauci, China, or the gain of function. Without them wanting to play god with a virus, using US taxpayers money, none of this would've happened.
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I think anyone who participates in or knowingly profits from the research and development of viruses that are to be used as weapons should be drawn and quartered.
 
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luthervol said:
I do care greatly about those things - that's exactly how the job is partially measured - they are the very things the president ACTUALLY has control over. Everything else is a function of congress and the people surrounding the president.

But you missed my point...he was unqualified - if you think he did a good job, then the conclusion must be that qualifications aren't really that important in determining the success of the president.
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What are the qualifications to be president? At the end of the day you’re a manager and a decision maker. He’s done both at an extremely high level. He had business contacts and an understanding of governmental workings the world over as a result of running a multinational business. Thinking that one has to be in lower level politics as a precursor to being president is asinine and the reason we’re constantly in the messes we’re in. It’s a constant bubble of groupthink and back room circle jerks. The fact that you care more about his social media content and flamboyant boisterousness than the state of the country under him speaks volumes to your fragility.
 
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luthervol said:
Sure there is a difference. But they were mandated.
The question is, is it okay to ever mandate vaccines? and if so, when?

Some will say - no, it's never okay.
Some will say - yes, but only when.....
Those responses lead to two entirely different debates.
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Mandates should only be a last ditch measure to deal with an overwhelming threat. The key is That they should only be established by the proper arm of government, the legislative, not by executive decree, often at the behest of unelected bureaucrats in positions where they are unaccountable to the electorate.
Emergencies do often happen, but no emergency decree should be allowed to continue indefinitely without being fully endorsed by the duly elected representatives of the people that are empowered to make actual law. Something that still hasn’t even been attempted two full years into the „emergency“
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Mandates should only be a last ditch measure to deal with an overwhelming threat. The key is That they should only be established by the proper arm of government, the legislative, not by executive decree, often at the behest of unelected bureaucrats in positions where they are unaccountable to the electorate.
Emergencies do often happen, but no emergency decree should be allowed to continue indefinitely without being fully endorsed by the duly elected representatives of the people that are empowered to make actual law. Something that still hasn’t even been attempted two full years into the „emergency“
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I would argue that the legislature doesn’t even have the authority for many of the mandates. It’s relegated to the states.

Many however would argue the commerce clause grants authority to congress in some circumstances.
 
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txbo said:
I would argue that the legislature doesn’t even have the authority for many of the mandates. It’s relegated to the states.

Many however would argue the commerce clause grants authority to congress in some circumstances.
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Thank you for the clarification. Yes, I was clearly thinking of state legislatures, not the Federal. The enumerated powers list does not give that power to the Federal Congress so it remains with the states under the Tenth Amendment. The Commerce Clause has been abused to an obscene degree to justify all manner of unconditional silliness since the New Deal unfortunately
 
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ButchPlz said:
These keep popping up around my city and they always look like that. I kind of feel bad about it sometimes as at least someone is trying to teach people to do the right thing.
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Except they are often not really teachable. So many of them think it HAS to be easy (otherwise how could the stupid rubes in flyover country do it) but they quickly discover it takes work and knowledge so they give up as soon as their first attempt inevitably withers.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Thank you for the clarification. Yes, I was clearly thinking of state legislatures, not the Federal. The enumerated powers list does not give that power to the Federal Congress so it remains with the states under the Tenth Amendment. The Commerce Clause has been abused to an obscene degree to justify all manner of unconditional silliness since the New Deal unfortunately
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In over two years of dealing with this pandemic, there have been significant swings in legislatures, yet congress has failed to pass any mandates. That would suggest to me that those that disagree with these mandates are more than a fringe.
 
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I remember when protests against government aggression were lauded and viewed as so important that all must support them. Buildings burned, people died, businesses and homes were destroyed

For some reason this protest is stupid and dangerous. No fires, no deaths, no property damage.

What a world
 
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