CDC suggested/required VACCINES

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Vol737 said:
I’m 56. I likely will get the shingles vax soon and maybe an updated tetanus shot. Been a WHILE. Outside of that, I’m sure not taking anything ever again that’s been dreamed up inside of a year and put to market. Any other age related updated boosters one should get?
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65 is the age for pneumococcal vaccine. It can be earlier depending on other risk factors.
 
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Persian Vol said:
I am sorry to hear about this. That’s an incredibly unfortunate situation and I can’t imagine the stress, despair, and frustration you likely had to go through. What convinced you into believing vaccines were the cause?
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Timing. She reacted badly to the shots. Fever, not sleeping for 3 days and being irritable. She was a very good natured baby and for the week after her shots she was not herself.
Within 1 month she was turning her head to look at everything. About the time she took her first steps at 9.5 months her eye started turning inward.
No other changes in her life with the exception of the shots. Developmentally she was way ahead of the curve.
She graduates PA school in May.
 
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Not sure I would make the same vax decisions with our boys as we did 13yrs ago. We did space the shots out and out dr was fine with that but they got every one. We don't do flu vax any longer and never considered covid for them.

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utvolpj said:
Not sure I would make the same vax decisions with our boys as we did 13yrs ago. We did space the shots out and out dr was fine with that but they got every one. We don't do flu vax any longer and never considered covid for them.

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How might you do it differently?
 
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McDad said:
How might you do it differently?
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Spacing shots was a big one as I felt it gave them time to recover. It wasn't discussed as a real option that I remember but not sure of that's changed. We still do it now as I just don't like mixing it all and knocking them out for a day

My wife and I have talked about it many times and it's very likely that we would have declined several of the shots. It's actually something we have done more recently and the dr understood. We also might have waited for them to be much older before putting the chemical mix into their tiny bodies. For example, what's the difference if they get one at 7yo that was scheduled for a 5yo? Other than school requirements

You're so overwhelmed as a first time parent that you'd do anything you thought would help your child survive. If the ped said he needed a shot then it must be required and good. Thankfully I think there's much more info against the narrative than there was even for us a decade ago.
 
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utvolpj said:
Spacing shots was a big one as I felt it gave them time to recover. It wasn't discussed as a real option that I remember but not sure of that's changed. We still do it now as I just don't like mixing it all and knocking them out for a day

My wife and I have talked about it many times and it's very likely that we would have declined several of the shots. It's actually something we have done more recently and the dr understood. We also might have waited for them to be much older before putting the chemical mix into their tiny bodies. For example, what's the difference if they get one at 7yo that was scheduled for a 5yo? Other than school requirements

You're so overwhelmed as a first time parent that you'd do anything you thought would help your child survive. If the ped said he needed a shot then it must be required and good. Thankfully I think there's much more info against the narrative than there was even for us a decade ago.
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Thanks for explanaton.
 
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utvolpj said:
Spacing shots was a big one as I felt it gave them time to recover. It wasn't discussed as a real option that I remember but not sure of that's changed. We still do it now as I just don't like mixing it all and knocking them out for a day

My wife and I have talked about it many times and it's very likely that we would have declined several of the shots. It's actually something we have done more recently and the dr understood. We also might have waited for them to be much older before putting the chemical mix into their tiny bodies. For example, what's the difference if they get one at 7yo that was scheduled for a 5yo? Other than school requirements

You're so overwhelmed as a first time parent that you'd do anything you thought would help your child survive. If the ped said he needed a shot then it must be required and good. Thankfully I think there's much more info against the narrative than there was even for us a decade ago.
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I understand the being overwhelmed part. It is a full time job being a parent. Dentists, doctor appts, extracurricular activities, sleep overs, school and birthday parties.
Good heavens there’s almost time no time to think. I wouldn’t take back any of the time I focused on my kids.
I’m just now binge watching Lost. It’s pure garbage but I was a little busy when it was on and there was no time for tv.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Many of these questions are inter related. 4, 5, 6, 8,10, 20, 21, 27, 38 all refer to the history of vaccines from 1981-1985 vaccine manufacturers paid out billions to vaccine injured people, so much so in 1985 only 1 producer remained making dpt vaccines and 1 making polio vaccines. So Congress passed the 1986 vaccine injury act which ended up with the vaccine injury courts run by the DOJ. In this court there is money to support the injured but it’s very limited in which vaccines it covers. 9500 have been awarded around 4.6 B in the last 39 years.
In 2011 the Supreme Court denied a couples right to sue manufacturers for their daughters seizure disorders after they lost in the NVIC. 6-2 decision.

2, 3 involve fibroblast lines taken from the lung tissue a 14 week old caucasian boy.
Diploid fibroblasts are kept frozen at -150 and used once thawed and duplicated they attach to a medium that leaves them undifferentiated. That process is very lengthy and you’ll need to read research papers to understand it. I do know to get the fibroblasts cells any intended research has to be planned exquisitely and submitted for approval before they will release them.

11. Many vaccines contain animal cells the biggest controversy was in the 60’s with SV40, simian virus that has been proven to have causality to human cancer. It has been reported that some vaccines and mRNA platform shots are contaminated with sv-40 today.

16 transverse myelitis- It is a debilitating neurological disorder that affects the spinal cord and attacks the lipid cover over nerves that helps conduction of nerve impulses.
This one you can google. It can be slow or it can be acute. I’ve seen acute cases in ICU Post vaccine.

17 encephalopathy - This is a big group to cover. It’s any condition that can cause brain
Dysfunction. Specifically from this list adjuvant aluminum and aluminum salts increase the bodies response to the antigen producing cell. Aluminum has been used since the late 1920’s to spurn the larger response from B cells ( antibody producers and memory cell producers), cd4, cd8 and cytotoxic T cells. It also stimulates a cytokine storm that doesn’t present as highly without an adjuvant. This is where reactions come into play. Aluminum doesn’t play nice with the human body.
Scientific Image and Illustration Software | BioRender will give a complete breakdown of the response and a timeline of adjuvant discovery and usage.
Acceptable amount of Al in the blood is 0-20 micrograms per liter. I prefer zero but it is in many products today including soy based baby formula. I personally stopped using any products with aluminum about 8 years ago.
HealthMatters.io explains aluminum nicely. Look up heavy metals testing or find a MSDS on aluminum.

Ok I just worked 12 with a patient trying to kick in my teeth because we ventilated him and took away his coke habit. Another wonderful night in the life in ICU.
He has encephalopathy, 40 minutes of CPR will do that.
More later…
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Thank you for this NGV. I know it took a good while for you to type all this out. Thanks for your effort, and patience. Please continue whenever convenient if you have more to add...especially pertaining to babies/toddlers/ before school shots. My kids were never in public school, so they didnt get many shots. I know they got DPT like I did when i was a kid. I believe they both had 1 more combination shot before school started for them. No more since then.

My Dad was career USAF and regularly went overseas to Germany and Turkey. I know he had lots of shots. He was also born at home in Seymour TN and had few if any vaccinations as a child. I dont worry much anyway about the effects on adults...though we dont get flu shots, didnt get covid shots etc...but the kids worry me. They are still developing and we only want whats truly necessary for grandkids.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Thank you for this NGV. I know it took a good while for you to type all this out. Thanks for your effort, and patience. Please continue whenever convenient if you have more to add...especially pertaining to babies/toddlers/ before school shots. My kids were never in public school, so they didnt get many shots. I know they got DPT like I did when i was a kid. I believe they both had 1 more combination shot before school started for them. No more since then.

My Dad was career USAF and regularly went overseas to Germany and Turkey. I know he had lots of shots. He was also born at home in Seymour TN and had few if any vaccinations as a child. I dont worry much anyway about the effects on adults...though we dont get flu shots, didnt get covid shots etc...but the kids worry me. They are still developing and we only want whats truly necessary for grandkids.
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Most of that you can Google but boy it’s a bit long and several sources I didn’t site.
My daughter was in the navy and had several shots. Only once did she have to take a day for a bad reaction. It was a bunk day since she had a fever.
 
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Vol737 said:
I’m 56. I likely will get the shingles vax soon and maybe an updated tetanus shot. Been a WHILE. Outside of that, I’m sure not taking anything ever again that’s been dreamed up inside of a year and put to market. Any other age related updated boosters one should get?
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Tdap, pneumococcus (age 65, unless you are high risk)
 
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Sea Ray said:
1) Do our kids need 70 vaccines?

2) Is there such thing as giving too many vaccines too soon? I'm worried about overloading these infant immune systems and the ramifications of that
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"Need" is a tough topic. Yes, for sure most recommended vaccines are important to maintain both personal and herd immunity. We are spoiled, so most young/adult people don't understand the morbidity and mortality that was associated with now vaccine- preventable diseases.

Delaying hep B, for instance, shouldn't be an issue for most babies, as it is only transmitted via blood or sexual contact. Rotavirus is usually not dangerous, aside from the risk of dehydration. HPV can be given later than 11-12 as long as adolescents aren't sexually active.

Honestly, most vaccine schedules are studied giving multiple shots at each visit, so I am not concerned with "giving too many at once." I've probably given around 200,000 myself, with no serious adverse events that I know of. I do allow parents to sign waivers and space at their desired timing. However, quite a few have decided that frequent visits for shots and dealing with a sore kiddo more often aren't worth it and revert to the default schedule.
 
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