CFP Path Difficulty

#27
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landscapingvol said:
Someone explain to me how the supposed best overall team has a much harder path to a NC than Penn State, Indiana, or Georgia? Only in college football does any of this make sense lol
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What is frustrating is that I brought this up in comment sections on Youtube and their are knumb nuts out there trying to defend it.
 
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Think about March Madness. Every single year we're handed a "Cinderella story" of some minor conference champion or even mid-major if we're hard up for a story that year, who knocks someone off and gets somewhat deep in the tourney. But it's an absurdly rare outlier when you have San Diego State and FAU in the Final Four. And they still don't win it all. The last weekend is a pretty exclusive country club for bluebloods.

Now picture March Madness with 12 teams. Virtually no AQs. And some poor sap's job is to explain why 23-10 Butler should be in it because they won the A-10, and Gonzaga should not because Saint Mary's was the AQ out of the WCC. Or Baylor shouldn't go from the B12 because Houston and Iowa State are already in, even though Baylor won it all a couple years ago.

March Madness works with its AQ format because it's big enough that everyone with an even remotely reasonable shot is in the bracket anyway. And the CFP right now includes long shots at the expense of teams that would have had better odds, because they're better teams. Boise State is like +6000 to win it. No way Bama would have come in with longer odds than Boise State, Clemson, Indiana, ASU, SMU. So if they want to include the Mountain West, that's great! But in a 12-team format, be prepared for perfectly reasonable objections that teams that had a real shot weren't in it, and Penn State probably gets a golden ticket to the semis.
 
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I enjoy the games, love my our Vols, but, can't stand the ESPN/???? that have managed to make the process a disaster. Ditto the lousy officiating and cost of going to a game.
 
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ArmchairQB said:
Think about March Madness. Every single year we're handed a "Cinderella story" of some minor conference champion or even mid-major if we're hard up for a story that year, who knocks someone off and gets somewhat deep in the tourney. But it's an absurdly rare outlier when you have San Diego State and FAU in the Final Four. And they still don't win it all. The last weekend is a pretty exclusive country club for bluebloods.

Now picture March Madness with 12 teams. Virtually no AQs. And some poor sap's job is to explain why 23-10 Butler should be in it because they won the A-10, and Gonzaga should not because Saint Mary's was the AQ out of the WCC. Or Baylor shouldn't go from the B12 because Houston and Iowa State are already in, even though Baylor won it all a couple years ago.

March Madness works with its AQ format because it's big enough that everyone with an even remotely reasonable shot is in the bracket anyway. And the CFP right now includes long shots at the expense of teams that would have had better odds, because they're better teams. Boise State is like +6000 to win it. No way Bama would have come in with longer odds than Boise State, Clemson, Indiana, ASU, SMU. So if they want to include the Mountain West, that's great! But in a 12-team format, be prepared for perfectly reasonable objections that teams that had a real shot weren't in it, and Penn State probably gets a golden ticket to the semis.
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You're right, but missed a huge distinction between March Madness and this CFP - MM has no byes. The conference champs get automatic bids, but get ranked where they are ranked, and then the tournament is played out - #1 vs. #16, #2 vs. #15 and so on.

Simply eliminate the byes for conference champs and rank the teams and play it out, and it becomes a much more equitable event. See my post above with the final CFP rankings and it is a much fairer tournament, with #1 Oregon getting the 'easier' path they earned.
 
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87&91ALUM said:
I enjoy the games, love my our Vols, but, can't stand the ESPN/???? that have managed to make the process a disaster. Ditto the lousy officiating and cost of going to a game.
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ESPN gets part of the blame, but to me the bulk goes to people like Sankey, who sold their souls and our conference out to go in business with the Big 10 and ESPN. Sankey has essentially given the SEC even status (less than that if you ask me) with a far inferior league, the Big 10, that the national media has done a brilliant gaslighting job in making the public believe is the equal to the SEC. To me, that's the root of the problem, and it is never going to be fixed to our satisfaction.
 
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sami said:
You're right, but missed a huge distinction between March Madness and this CFP - MM has no byes. The conference champs get automatic bids, but get ranked where they are ranked, and then the tournament is played out - #1 vs. #16, #2 vs. #15 and so on.

Simply eliminate the byes for conference champs and rank the teams and play it out, and it becomes a much more equitable event. See my post above with the final CFP rankings and it is a much fairer tournament, with #1 Oregon getting the 'easier' path they earned.
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Completely agreed. If I was going to have byes at all I'd have given them to the four highest ranked teams by some objective metric. Let the reward to conference champs be that they host, if you want conference championships to continue to mean anything... except we're seemingly hell-bent on consolidating down to only a few conferences with 20+ teams in them in only a couple more TV contract renewal's time. Even better to just have 16 teams and everyone's playing.
 
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sami said:
You're right, but missed a huge distinction between March Madness and this CFP - MM has no byes. The conference champs get automatic bids, but get ranked where they are ranked, and then the tournament is played out - #1 vs. #16, #2 vs. #15 and so on.

Simply eliminate the byes for conference champs and rank the teams and play it out, and it becomes a much more equitable event. See my post above with the final CFP rankings and it is a much fairer tournament, with #1 Oregon getting the 'easier' path they earned.
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Matematically, you cannot just rank the 12 and go at it. With 12 teams, you have to have a bye team(s) somewhere in the playoff. Alternatively though to first round byes, you can rank the 12 and go at it. When you get to the final 3, the highest ranking remaining team as ranked from the playoof first round, gets the bye. The two lesser ranked play for a trip yo the final against the bye team.

Or, you go to 16 teams and mathematically you won't need a bye round.
 
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ArmchairQB said:
Completely agreed. If I was going to have byes at all I'd have given them to the four highest ranked teams by some objective metric. Let the reward to conference champs be that they host, if you want conference championships to continue to mean anything... except we're seemingly hell-bent on consolidating down to only a few conferences with 20+ teams in them in only a couple more TV contract renewal's time. Even better to just have 16 teams and everyone's playing.
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No, the reward is a playoff bid, period, like March Madness. Any byes go to the highest ranked teams.

The simplest solution is to just expand to 16 teams (we know expansion will happen anyway) and rank them 1 to 16 and have no byes, like a March Madness regional.

This won't happen, though, because it's too logical.
 
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GVF said:
Matematically, you cannot just rank the 12 and go at it. With 12 teams, you have to have a bye team(s) somewhere in the playoff. Alternatively though to first round byes, you can rank the 12 and go at it. When you get to the final 3, the highest ranking remaining team as ranked from the playoof first round, gets the bye. The two lesser ranked play for a trip yo the final against the bye team.

Or, you go to 16 teams and mathematically you won't need a bye round.
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16 teams is the best and most logical way, but with 12 you give the byes to the four highest ranked teams. They are the ones that theoretically "earned" them with their play all season. Easy, logical, and fair, which is why it will never happen.
 
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If history has any way of repeating itself in college football, UT played in the first BCS in 1998...natty....
 
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sami said:
No, the reward is a playoff bid, period, like March Madness. Any byes go to the highest ranked teams.

The simplest solution is to just expand to 16 teams (we know expansion will happen anyway) and rank them 1 to 16 and have no byes, like a March Madness regional.

This won't happen, though, because it's too logical.
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If you do that, there’s no reason to play the SEC or B1G championship games. If the reward is admission to a tournament you’re already in, what’s the point?
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
If you do that, there’s no reason to play the SEC or B1G championship games. If the reward is admission to a tournament you’re already in, what’s the point?
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I don't disagree. The only reason those games are still going to be played is $$$$$$$$$$.

You can determine a champion without them, but they never make changes that adversely affect revenue. Never have and never will.
 
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sami said:
You're right, but missed a huge distinction between March Madness and this CFP - MM has no byes. The conference champs get automatic bids, but get ranked where they are ranked, and then the tournament is played out - #1 vs. #16, #2 vs. #15 and so on.

Simply eliminate the byes for conference champs and rank the teams and play it out, and it becomes a much more equitable event. See my post above with the final CFP rankings and it is a much fairer tournament, with #1 Oregon getting the 'easier' path they earned.
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The upsetting part to me is that if it were 16 teams and no byes, they would somehow re-rank the teams to get an equality of outcome, still. For instance, TN could get bumped down to 9 seed even though we were technically a 7, because they wanted us on the road anyway.

There needs to be much better transparency and the outcome should be more predictable for fans if we want to legitimize the committee.
 
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adam.vol said:
The upsetting part to me is that if it were 16 teams and no byes, they would somehow re-rank the teams to get an equality of outcome, still. For instance, TN could get bumped down to 9 seed even though we were technically a 7, because they wanted us on the road anyway.

There needs to be much better transparency and the outcome should be more predictable for fans if we want to legitimize the committee.
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The committee can never be legitimized because it will always consist of a collection of bureaucrats with biases and loyalties. Transparency will never happen because they want the whole 'dark, smoky room' thing and all the controversy and talk that comes with it.

An indication of how out of touch these people are is this jerk Manuel going ballistic at a "leak" of the bracket before they did their dog and pony show on ESPN. With all of the issues there are with the awful job they did, this is what he was concerned about.
 
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They allowed this because they let the ACC and Mountain West and the other 5 have their way because they demanded automatic bids or they were out. But it won’t matter now most of the country isn’t going for these automatic bids. I agree we should let all conference champions in. The lesser conferences should be happy with that and getting to share in that revenue. Automatic bids just mess the bracketing up terribly. Mountain West, Big 12 or any conference champion they should be happy to be in and seeding by rank. Even the conference champs not ranked your getting in by being seeded at the very back. Even there your still knocking out a team that would have otherwise been in so be happy your in period. GBO
 
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adam.vol said:
The upsetting part to me is that if it were 16 teams and no byes, they would somehow re-rank the teams to get an equality of outcome, still. For instance, TN could get bumped down to 9 seed even though we were technically a 7, because they wanted us on the road anyway.

There needs to be much better transparency and the outcome should be more predictable for fans if we want to legitimize the committee.
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Learn from the CBB folks. If they can do all the quadrant stuff for ALL the BB teams, FB should be easy. Not perfect, never is, but as transparent as possible.
 
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