Chances That Albert Pujols...

#27
#27
GahLee said:
I do what I can.

I still believe that baseball is more stat dependant than any other sport.
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I'm not knocking Pujols, but the Plateaus meen much less than most people want to believe. I don't think that 150 hits per year for 20 years is impressive.

Logging decent stats year in, year out, to reach artificial levels of "greatness" is absurd, in my opinion.
 
#28
#28
JTrainDavis said:
I'm not knocking Pujols, but the Plateaus meen much less than most people want to believe. I don't think that 150 hits per year for 20 years is impressive.

Logging decent stats year in, year out, to reach artificial levels of "greatness" is absurd, in my opinion.
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Nothing decent about the stats we are talking though, we're talking legendary numbers, there is the difference.
 
#30
#30
0-3 with 3k today. Should probably go undrafted in most fantasy formats.
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#32
#32
VolBuck24 said:
Very good chance he doesn't end up with this record.
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Breaking the home run records requires talent and longevity.

He's got 408 in ten seasons, basically an average of 41 a season. And he's basically hovered around the 40 mark since he's been established. He'll have to average 41 a year for roughly nine more seasons to do it.

It's a lot harder than it sounds. You've got to stay healthy and be lucky.
 
#35
#35
GahLee said:
Annointing him the best ever at this very moment is nuts, but 10 years from now he could be the best hitter that baseball has ever had.
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No he won't. He flat out isn't a better hitter than Williams was, nor Ruth for that matter. Band boxes, juice and hot baseballs have contributed greatly to his stats. He's a great hitter, but he isn't the Splinter. Don't forget that Williams gave up his prime.

Lastly, those out years (37 and up) hurt everyone's numbers.
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#36
#36
BigPapaVol said:
No he won't. He flat out isn't a better hitter than Williams was, nor Ruth for that matter. Band boxes, juice and hot baseballs have contributed greatly to his stats. He's a great hitter, but he isn't the Splinter. Don't forget that Williams gave up his prime.

Lastly, those out years (37 and up) hurt everyone's numbers.
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IMHO, he's not going to be the best hitter in Cardinals history.
 
#38
#38
BigPapaVol said:
No he won't. He flat out isn't a better hitter than Williams was, nor Ruth for that matter. Band boxes, juice and hot baseballs have contributed greatly to his stats. He's a great hitter, but he isn't the Splinter. Don't forget that Williams gave up his prime.

Lastly, those out years (37 and up) hurt everyone's numbers.
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You could make a legit argument, hence the thread.

Like I have stated before, I believe that baseball relies on stats more than any other sport to determine greatness.

If he continues to do what he is doing, he will be in the conversation, no question.

A 95 mph fastball is still a 95 mph fastball.

Smalller parks, juices baseball and and all that crap, what about a league full of specialists?

Back in the day a guy would go the entire game, don't you think it would be easier to figure out a guy when you see him 4 or 5 times in a game?

Unless it comes out that he has juiced, there is no doubt that he will be in the convo.
 
#42
#42
Musial's best year doesn't equal what Albert has averaged for his entire career. They have the same career AVG and Pujols is by far the better power hitter and run producer. I would say that he is already the best hitter in Cardinal history.
 
#43
#43
GahLee said:
Musial's best year doesn't equal what Albert has averaged for his entire career. They have the same career AVG and Pujols is by far the better power hitter and run producer. I would say that he is already the best hitter in Cardinal history.
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And I disagree with your opinion.
 
#44
#44
Musial had some amazing years, but it is an easy call when you look at the numbers.
 
#46
#46
justingroves said:
You also have to remember those guys gave up years to go serve in WWII (I think Stan only gave up one though)
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Musial only gave up 45.

I am a baseball numbers geek as much as anyone else, but there is also the eyeball test, which is why moneyball works on paper but not in real life.

Musial wasn't as much of a power hitter, but even Ted Williams admitted that Musial was just as good of a hitter as he was.

There's a reason that the city of St. Louis will go into a state of mourning when he dies.
 
#47
#47
tigervol9802 said:
Musial only gave up 45.

I am a baseball numbers geek as much as anyone else, but there is also the eyeball test, which is why moneyball works on paper but not in real life.

Musial wasn't as much of a power hitter, but even Ted Williams admitted that Musial was just as good of a hitter as he was.

There's a reason that the city of St. Louis will go into a state of mourning when he dies.
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Thanks, I was doing it from memory.

"Stats are for losers, I like winning games" - Will Muschamp. :p
 
#48
#48
BigPapaVol said:
No he won't. He flat out isn't a better hitter than Williams was, nor Ruth for that matter. Band boxes, juice and hot baseballs have contributed greatly to his stats. He's a great hitter, but he isn't the Splinter. Don't forget that Williams gave up his prime.

Lastly, those out years (37 and up) hurt everyone's numbers.
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That and in the last 20 or so years, pitching inside has become a lost art. Hitters today have it pretty easy.
 
#49
#49
With all the differences in baseball today from how it was 50 or 60 or 70 yrs ago, I think it should be less stat dependent. I don't use stats to rate a player, I just use an eye test. Sometimes, of course, the players with best stats are also the "best players."

The best hitter of all time in my opinion is Ted Williams. He also has some pretty damn good stats. JTrain mentioned Babe Ruth earlier. I disagree on that one. Sheer power is where he made himself famous. A good hitter, but he struck out a bit much for me. His BA ans slugging % in his Yankee days were phenomenal though.

Today's best hitters are Pujols, Cabrera, Mauer in that order. Pujols will always be second to Ted in my eyes no matter what stats he finishes with
 
#50
#50
JTrainDavis said:
That and in the last 20 or so years, pitching inside has become a lost art. Hitters today have it pretty easy.
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That and now people talk about specialists while ignoring the dilution that 327 teams have wrought. You rolled into town in the 40s against 2 or three front line arms in every town. The specialist gibberish applies to potentially one AB per night at most. The starter deficiency in the league today applies to 3 out of 4 games for the brunt of the season.
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