Change In Direction As far As recruiting?

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Believe it or not, there are 4 and 5 star recruits out there that have good character, too.

Peyton Manning, Tee Martin, Al Wilson,.....just to name 3.
 
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(oklavol @ Jul 4 said:
Thats an impressive list, but I was referring to the players UT has recruited in the past. UT has not been noted for developing 2 and 3 star players. The only recent player UT has had is the one you mentioned, Jason Hall. Most of UT best players have been their higher recruited players the majority of the time.

There is already a team in the SEC that has a roster full of 2 and 3 star recruits every year, and they haven't been noted for their success in the SEC, thats Vanderbilt.

How many teams in the SEC have won an SEC championship that didnt have a roster loaded with 4 and 5 star talent? LSU, and GA are loaded with 4 and 5 star players every year they have been the 2 most dominant programs in the SEC this decade. Auburn also has recruited well.

I just dont see the argument that your going to develop an SEC championship team, from a team of 3 star players. I dont see any other schools in the SEC winning championships that way. Teams that recruit the worst in the SEC, i.e. Vanderbilt, usually end up finishing with the worst record.
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Who said that??? Your exact quote was that 2 or 3 star players never make the All-SEC team. It's apparent that there are lots of them making the all-sec teams every year so your point was wrong. As far as UT the reason why we aren't noted for that is because we haven't been developing players for the past 5 years mainly on the offensive side of the ball. Talent has not been the problem it's obvious that it's been the coaching of that talent, and keeping that talent in line. I don't think anybody was trying to make an argument that we just need to recruit 3 star players from now on because they are less prone to get in trouble, and if they were then that's stupid. They were just pointing out that just because a kid is not highly rated out of high school doesn't mean he won't be a good college player which is what you basically insinuated. Make no mistake about it we still need to land the 4 and 5 star players but first we need to show that we can develop the ones we have now, which Fulmer's staff hasn't done for quite a while.
 
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(Chattownsfinest @ Jul 4 said:
As far as UT the reason why we aren't noted for that is because we haven't been developing players for the past 5 years mainly on the offensive side of the ball. Talent has not been the problem it's obvious that it's been the coaching of that talent, and keeping that talent in line.
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Couldnt have said it better myself....good point.
 
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(utvolpj @ Jul 4 said:
I was watching a coaches shop the other night and some thing Marv Levy said kinda hit me. He was explaining how they went for solid people in the draft and ability was second. If we are taking this type of approach then I'm fine with it.

His quote: If you have ability without character you will lose.
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Marv Levy said that? A guy who coached Thurman Thomas and Cornelius Bennett? That's hilarious.
 
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(allvol@15 @ Jul 4 said:
you used caps lock on a word! u dont just use caps lock in a normal "calm" post!
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LOL! I like you when you're funny!
 
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(Chattownsfinest @ Jul 4 said:
Who said that??? Your exact quote was that 2 or 3 star players never make the All-SEC team. It's apparent that there are lots of them making the all-sec teams every year so your point was wrong. As far as UT the reason why we aren't noted for that is because we haven't been developing players for the past 5 years mainly on the offensive side of the ball. Talent has not been the problem it's obvious that it's been the coaching of that talent, and keeping that talent in line. I don't think anybody was trying to make an argument that we just need to recruit 3 star players from now on because they are less prone to get in trouble, and if they were then that's stupid. They were just pointing out that just because a kid is not highly rated out of high school doesn't mean he won't be a good college player which is what you basically insinuated. Make no mistake about it we still need to land the 4 and 5 star players but first we need to show that we can develop the ones we have now, which Fulmer's staff hasn't done for quite a while.
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Here is the exact quote

There havent been many players who weren't 4 and 5 star recruits who ended up becoming all-sec. Not many at all. A few notable exceptions, doesn't nullify what the rest of the statistics tell you.
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Show me how "haven't been many players" now becomes "never"?? Since we are talking about UT football and thats the team everyone on this board is most familiar with, wouldn't it stand to reason thats the team I was referring to?

The bottom line is nobody is winning the SEC this decade with a team full of 2 and 3 star recruits. Every SEC title recently has been won by either GA, LSU, or Auburn and they are all loaded with 4 star players. Teams like Vandy and Kentucky who end up with more 2 and 3 star players then anyone else finish next to last or last every year.
 
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(oklavol @ Jul 5 said:
Here is the exact quote
Show me how "haven't been many players" now becomes "never"?? Since we talking about UT football and thats the team everyone on this board, wouldn't stand to reason thats the team I was referring to?

You can keep your head in the sand all you wnt, but there is nobody winning the SEC this decade with a team full of 2 and 3 star recruits. Every SEC title recently has been won by either GA, LSU, or Auburn and they are all loaded with 4 star players. Teams like Vandy and Kentucky who end up with more 2 and 3 star players then anyone else finish next to last or last every year.
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Oklavol, this calls for one of my favorite sayings. You don't win the Kentucky Derby riding a plowhorse. You have to get elite players to get elite results.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Jul 5 said:
Oklavol, this calls for one of my favorite sayings. You don't win the Kentucky Derby riding a plowhorse. You have to get elite players to get elite results.
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That's true, but not many horses get arrested :huh:
 
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(hatvol96 @ Jul 5 said:
Oklavol, this calls for one of my favorite sayings. You don't win the Kentucky Derby riding a plowhorse. You have to get elite players to get elite results.
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On the other hand, I'm sure that all of the horses in the Derby could pull a plow if need be.
 
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(overseasorange @ Jul 5 said:
That's true, but not many horses get arrested :huh:
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Thats true, but there was an elephant once arrested in Erwin. I think the point is clearly made. You have to have the stud players to be play this high level game. And I hate to keep beating this dead horse, but you have to have the coaches to coach and take care of them(keep them out of trouble). After all what are they getting paid the big bucks for?
 
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Quotes from Bobby "Faust" Bowden

“He who gets the best players usually wins.”
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“You ain't going to win 10 games every year. We've already done the impossible. You think anybody will ever do again what we did, 14 years in a row (ending the season ranked in the) top five? You think anybody will do that again? ... Everybody expects that every year and gosh, it just don't work that way.”
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(voldaddy77 @ Jul 3 said:
I have to believe that a season like we had last year could be a great thing, I believe it was a wakeup call for everyone associated with Vol-Ball. I keep up with everything orange, and have since as long as I can remember. Maybe Im too optomistic, but the changes ive seen everywhere in VolCamp, from recruiting.... overall attitude from players and coaches, and the focus leads me to believe that we are heading back to the top where we belong, and I have to tell you....Im looking forward to it.
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Tell me more about what you have seen from the new Tennessee....

The practices have been and will remain mostly closed, the coaches say the same things that the previous coaches said, yadda yadda yadda.....

They need to show something on the field!!!!!!!
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Jul 4 said:
And like I said, we can still land studs. We still have quite a few big timers looking at us(at every position). We should land a top 10 class. We just have to coach them.
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If the Vols go 7 and 5 there will not be a top ten class...... 8 and 4 would stretch it a bit.
 
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I also have a new theory that CPF is purposefully trying to sandbag his future replacement by leaving the cupboard bare. As the Fulmerites constantly reminded us up until signing day this year, CPF is the best cfb recruiter in the business. Surely, if Fulmer wanted a class full of 5* players he'd have no problem signing them up. Since we did not get that type of class this year, and we do not appear headed in that direction for '07, one can only assume that CPF does nto want those elite prospects. The only reason I can see for that is that he is scared Butch Davis, or whoever is the next UT head coach, will come in and win the SEC with his (Fulmer's) players thereby illuminating the fact that what we have is a leadership and management problem, not a personnel problem.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jul 5 said:
I also have a new theory that CPF is purposefully trying to sandbag his future replacement by leaving the cupboard bare. As the Fulmerites constantly reminded us up until signing day this year, CPF is the best cfb recruiter in the business. Surely, if Fulmer wanted a class full of 5* players he'd have no problem signing them up. Since we did not get that type of class this year, and we do not appear headed in that direction for '07, one can only assume that CPF does nto want those elite prospects. The only reason I can see for that is that he is scared Butch Davis, or whoever is the next UT head coach, will come in and win the SEC with his (Fulmer's) players thereby illuminating the fact that what we have is a leadership and management problem, not a personnel problem.
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For all the faults I've read about CPF I've never read where he wanted anything but the best for UT. Your arguments are way off base. Stick to your basics.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jul 5 said:
I also have a new theory that CPF is purposefully trying to sandbag his future replacement by leaving the cupboard bare. As the Fulmerites constantly reminded us up until signing day this year, CPF is the best cfb recruiter in the business. Surely, if Fulmer wanted a class full of 5* players he'd have no problem signing them up. Since we did not get that type of class this year, and we do not appear headed in that direction for '07, one can only assume that CPF does nto want those elite prospects. The only reason I can see for that is that he is scared Butch Davis, or whoever is the next UT head coach, will come in and win the SEC with his (Fulmer's) players thereby illuminating the fact that what we have is a leadership and management problem, not a personnel problem.
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Huh??? :huh:
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jul 5 said:
I also have a new theory that CPF is purposefully trying to sandbag his future replacement by leaving the cupboard bare. As the Fulmerites constantly reminded us up until signing day this year, CPF is the best cfb recruiter in the business. Surely, if Fulmer wanted a class full of 5* players he'd have no problem signing them up. Since we did not get that type of class this year, and we do not appear headed in that direction for '07, one can only assume that CPF does nto want those elite prospects. The only reason I can see for that is that he is scared Butch Davis, or whoever is the next UT head coach, will come in and win the SEC with his (Fulmer's) players thereby illuminating the fact that what we have is a leadership and management problem, not a personnel problem.
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THAT IS WHAT SMALL MIKE SAID ON THE RADIO LAST WEEK!!!!!

IS VOLUNTEER HILLBILLY REALLY SMALL MIKE????? :whistling:
 
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(patrick @ Jul 5 said:
THAT IS WHAT SMALL MIKE SAID ON THE RADIO LAST WEEK!!!!!

IS VOLUNTEER HILLBILLY REALLY SMALL MIKE????? :whistling:
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Nah, I'm in the Nashville area. I have read many of the statements attributed to this small mike person on other boards. We probably share a similar desire to get a new head coach, but other than that I doubt that I would agree with him or her about much else. BTW, my post was tounge-in-cheek.
 
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For now I'm not too high on Evans as a commit. It seems the kid really wants to go to UF and may just be fishing for an offer. He's never been to Knoxville and was saying stuff along the lines of "I'm wanna make Florida pay for not offering me". I expect him to jump ship once Urb offers.
 
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