change of passports

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#28
Let's protect the sanctity of marriage and promote traditional families by just outlawing divorce...problem solved.
 
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utvolpj said:
predictable but still funny
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I wouldn't trivialize the importance of having a mother and father in the home. Obviously, it can be done. But it isn't the best situation. You have boys out here in the black community that don't have any male presence and have no idea what being a man is because 70% of households in the black community are lead by single females.

I had a co-worker tell me that his son-in-law (raised by a single mother) called him one evening about 40 miles away with his daughter and grandchild in the car. His son-in-law was literally crying on the phone because their car had left them stranded and he didn't know how to change a tire. So he had to drive out in the middle of who knows where to replace their tire. Obviously, that is an extreme example, but I have observed myself that some of these boys are just lost... and you can point out the kids from single mothers in a snap. I've gotten good at it because I see it so much.

Not trying to get all sentimental and MLK-ish in the thread, but it was a convenient place for me to rant for a moment.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I wouldn't trivialize the importance of having a mother and father in the home. Obviously, it can be done. But it isn't the best situation. You have boys out here in the black community that don't have any male presence and have no idea what being a man is because 70% of households in the black community are lead by single females.

I had a co-worker tell me that his son-in-law (raised by a single mother) called him one evening about 40 miles away with his daughter and grandchild in the car. His son-in-law was literally crying on the phone because their car had left them stranded and he didn't know how to change a tire. So he had to drive out in the middle of who knows where to replace their tire. Obviously, that is an extreme example, but I have observed myself that some of these boys are just lost... and you can point out the kids from single mothers in a snap. I've gotten good at it because I see it so much.

Not trying to get all sentimental and MLK-ish in the thread, but it was a convenient place for me to rant for a moment.
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ok but what does that have to do with Parent 1 and Parent 2 on a passport application?
 
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utvolpj said:
ok but what does that have to do with Parent 1 and Parent 2 on a passport application?
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I was responding to you making light of the importance or significance of having a non-tradtional nuclear family in some of your posts in here. That is all...

utvolpj said:
if this was even an issue it's about #1,873,234 on the list of what needs to be fixed. Not all kids have parents that are called "mother" and "father". Stupid to think this even matters
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I was responding to you making light of the importance or significance of having a non-tradtional nuclear family in some of your posts in here. That is all...
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I didn't make light I said that to act like having 2 parents is bad (or worse that 1) just because they are the same sex is stupid. Maybe if your co-worker's SIL had 2 dads one could have taught him how a tire gets changed.

that are called "mother" and "father".
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looks like you misinterpreted what I was getting at here.
 
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utvolpj said:
I didn't make light I said that to act like having 2 parents is bad (or worse that 1) just because they are the same sex is stupid.
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Meh... we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point. I would probably lean more towards having a single parent vs two parents of the same gender is closer to a push than an advantage either way. I have a bias because I suppose I've seen too many broken homes and not that many where a woman and man are able to both have an influence on children.

But whatever... it is a moot point because the people having kids and getting married (or not) don't seem to care one way or the other about that, so why should I?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
But whatever... it is a moot point because the people having kids and getting married (or not) don't seem to care one way or the other about that, so why should I?
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thank you for using the proper word and not "mute".

that's all I have to say about that...

as far as the OP goes, big deal. It's a given that most people have a mother and a father, but I would wager a guess that not everybody wants to associated with one, or both of their parents.
 
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MG1968 said:
as far as the OP goes, big deal. It's a given that most people have a mother and a father, but I would wager a guess that not everybody wants to associated with one, or both of their parents.
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I think we should start by defining what mother and father mean if this is going to be a big deal.

If the man that provided the biological medium necessary for my existence did so, and then was never around, is he my "father?"

Is my step-father my "father," or merely a "parent?"

I don't see why this has to instantly mean that we are in a discussion of male-male / female-female households.

No way I'd list my step-father as "father."
 
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joevol320 said:
it's the fact that the gov does everything it can to erase the traditional family and it's meaning. I agree that the divorce rate doesn't help, but that doesn't mean that America should just abandon it's core principle nor should the government actively work to destroy them. I know people like you laugh at them and that's fine.
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Didn't realize that being heterosexual is a principle.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not in joevol's America.

Gay people would be given one chance to pray it out. Or be lynched. With the you know who's.
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I chuckled, from a joke aspect. However, you are likely serious, and not without some merit.
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