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he picks hillary as the sec of state, he has many clintonites on his staff. i guess the only change we'll get is that we'll have our taxes raised higher than clinton did. what a joke
 
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Obama supporters who call into John Gibson's radio show claim that they loved the Clinton administration so they see no problem with bringing back a bunch of Clintonistas to help Obama "rule" the country. Somewhat ironic given their attitudes during the primaries.
 
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MG1968 said:
Obama supporters who call into John Gibson's radio show claim that they loved the Clinton administration so they see no problem with bringing back a bunch of Clintonistas to help Obama "rule" the country. Somewhat ironic given their attitudes during the primaries.
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Hillary was never president, and Bill wasn't running. It should be more of an issue with you guys with a single party controlling both houses of congress. A Clintonesque administration is just fine when kept in check by a opposite controlled congress.

This fascination that you guys have with nitpicking every little thing about a guy that isn't even president yet is unhealthy.
 
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rjd970 said:
Hillary was never president, and Bill wasn't running. It should be more of an issue with you guys with a single party controlling both houses of congress. A Clintonesque administration is just fine when kept in check by a opposite controlled congress.

This fascination that you guys have with nitpicking every little thing about a guy that isn't even president yet is unhealthy.
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Wrong, as usual.


Barack Obama's serious flirtation with his one-time rival, Hillary Clinton, over the post of secretary of State has been welcomed by everyone from Henry Kissinger to Bill Clinton as an effective, grand gesture by the president-elect.

It's not playing quite as well, however, in some precincts of Obamaland. From his supporters on the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, to campaign aides of the soon-to-be commander-in-chief, there's a sense of ambivalence about giving a top political plum to a woman they spent 18 months hammering as the compromised standard-bearer of an era that deserves to be forgotten.

"These are people who believe in this stuff more than Barack himself does," said a Democrat close to Obama's campaign. "These guys didn't put together a campaign in order to turn the government over to the Clintons."
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Cabinet post for Clinton roils Obamaland
 
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rjd970 said:
Hillary was never president, and Bill wasn't running. It should be more of an issue with you guys with a single party controlling both houses of congress. A Clintonesque administration is just fine when kept in check by a opposite controlled congress.

This fascination that you guys have with nitpicking every little thing about a guy that isn't even president yet is unhealthy.
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what are you babbling about? In the post that you quoted, I didn't say a thing about Obama himself, just his supporters that were calling into a radio show that I listen to.
 
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MG1968 said:
what are you babbling about? In the post that you quoted, I didn't say a thing about Obama himself, just his supporters that were calling into a radio show that I listen to.
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There is a bigger context than this single quote. So you've been completely fair and unbiased about your views on Obama in this board?

Who cares if Clinton people are in his administration, and who cares what Obama supporters think about it.
 
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I've never pretended to be unbiased.

So now the Obama team shouldn't care about what the voters who put them there think? That's the height of arrogance and hubris.

Clinton era retreads are preferable, however, to the travelers in the circles Obama cut his political teeth in. With luck, they will keep him pulled to the center and mitigate some of the damage his radical views have the potential of causing the country.
 
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joevol320 said:
he picks hillary as the sec of state, he has many clintonites on his staff. i guess the only change we'll get is that we'll have our taxes raised higher than clinton did. what a joke
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Is that official, Hillary as the S of S? I know he was interviewing Bill Richardson also, I haven't heard anything on this.
 
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MG1968 said:
I've never pretended to be unbiased.

So now the Obama team shouldn't care about what the voters who put them there think? That's the height of arrogance and hubris.

Clinton era retreads are preferable, however, to the travelers in the circles Obama cut his political teeth in. With luck, they will keep him pulled to the center and mitigate some of the damage his radical views have the potential of causing the country.
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Sure, I still say who cares, most of all any republican looking for an excuse to rant. There are much more legitimate issues to rant over. Besides, Clinton understood (at least more so than Obama has let on) the power of a free market, so I would think republicans would welcome these type people over who he could have put in.

Although, the democratic party was split pretty evenly throughout the primaries between Obama and Clinton. I would bet roughly half of the people that voted for Obama in the general election voted for Hillary in the primary, so I am sure they aren't disappointed. You can't please everybody.
 
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some of the more pragmatic people on my side think that by taking Hillary out of the Senate, Obama is removing a potential source of major legislative headaches.
 
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MG1968 said:
I've never pretended to be unbiased.

So now the Obama team shouldn't care about what the voters who put them there think? That's the height of arrogance and hubris.

Clinton era retreads are preferable, however, to the travelers in the circles Obama cut his political teeth in. With luck, they will keep him pulled to the center and mitigate some of the damage his radical views have the potential of causing the country.
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Please specify these...and any damage YOU think they might cause is purely your right wing opinion on the matter and not a point of fact.

IMHO, Obama will govern from the center by his choice, which in practical matters, is the best choice
 
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joevol320 said:
he picks hillary as the sec of state, he has many clintonites on his staff. i guess the only change we'll get is that we'll have our taxes raised higher than clinton did. what a joke
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Do you ever read anything but right wing rhetoric?
 
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MG1968 said:
some of the more pragmatic people on my side think that by taking Hillary out of the Senate, Obama is removing a potential source of major legislative headaches.
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How much power can she really wield in the senate as one person who has only been there a couple of years? Legislatively, I think her and Obama agree more than they disagree.

It sees to me that possibly giving her the SoS position gives her more individual power.
 
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rjd970 said:
It sees to me that possibly giving her the SoS position gives her more individual power.
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Absolutely it does. For all of her notoriety, she's still the Junior Senator from New York.
 
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joevol320 said:
how is that right wing? it's the truth. do you ever read anything besides moveon.org?
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I have NEVER read anything from moveon.org.

How is that right wing?? Spewing fear that taxes are going to be raised on nothing more than the fact a democrat is in office

And the fact you have Obama in a picture with Karl Marx is proof enough your life is heavily influenced by right wing propaganda.



Anything else??
 
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truefan said:
I have NEVER read anything from moveon.org.

How is that right wing?? Spewing fear that taxes are going to be raised on nothing more than the fact a democrat is in office

And the fact you have Obama in a picture with Karl Marx is proof enough your life is heavily influenced by right wing propaganda.



Anything else??
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he said it himself that he is going to "spread the wealth around" he is a socialist. did you read his book? he said in his book that the courts should have addressed economic injustice when they address the civil rights. he also said in interviews that the courts should addressed it but the that courts are not set up to handle economic injustice. he's basically believe it should have been the courts job to help redistribute our paycheck.

he'll not only raise taxes with this the lib congress and senate. but he'll nominate judges with his same philosophy on redistribution. yes, it's the truth, whether some right winger talk show host said it or not.

anything else??

keep drinking that flavor-aid
 
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truefan said:
Please specify these...and any damage YOU think they might cause is purely your right wing opinion on the matter and not a point of fact.

IMHO, Obama will govern from the center by his choice, which in practical matters, is the best choice
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increased power of labor unions through the so called "employee free choice act"

his support for the global poverty initiative

he claims he's not for the fairness doctrine, but I can just about guarantee you that he will sign it or leave the bill on his desk for 10 days if it comes to him.

his view of an economy that is built from the bottom up

his national civilian national security force

mandatory volunteerism.

I consider those radical. Maybe you don't. He's not in office yet, but I don't have much faith he's going to govern from the center, not with Pelosi and Reid running Congress.
 
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MG, let's call it what it really is.

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increased power of labor unions through the so called "employee free choice act" - payback for union support

his support for the global poverty initiative - Let's feed every corrupt and poor nation in Africa

he claims he's not for the fairness doctrine, but I can just about guarantee you that he will sign it or leave the bill on his desk for 10 days if it comes to him. - Censor any opposition

his view of an economy that is built from the bottom up - Didn't the former USSR give that a try?

his national civilian national security force - Let's arm the inner city thugs legally to try and maintain power through fear

mandatory volunteerism. - Forced labor

I consider those radical. Maybe you don't. He's not in office yet, but I don't have much faith he's going to govern from the center, not with Pelosi and Reid running Congress.
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Radical enough to scare any real American IMHO.
 
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truefan said:
How is that right wing?? Spewing fear that taxes are going to be raised on nothing more than the fact a democrat is in office
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It's not spewing fear if strong evidence points toward it happening.
 
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