Charlie Weiss' Befuddlement

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Weiss is saying the UT shouldn't have jumped ND in the coaches poll because we had the exact same game they did. I have to disagree. We trailed most of the game, but took the lead by outplaying Bama in the fourth quarter. UCLA had the game won and completely blew it by letting Jeff S. break about 26 tackles. UT wasn't dominated and didn't require a miracle to win. I think looking at all that, you can't say that UT had the same game that Notre Dame did.
 
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When I saw the title of this thread, I figured it was discussing what happens when TCHFCAND tries to make up his mind at a Great American Buffet.
 
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Weiss is saying the UT shouldn't have jumped ND in the coaches poll because we had the exact same game they did. I have to disagree. We trailed most of the game, but took the lead by outplaying Bama in the fourth quarter. UCLA had the game won and completely blew it by letting Jeff S. break about 26 tackles. UT wasn't dominated and didn't require a miracle to win. I think looking at all that, you can't say that UT had the same game that Notre Dame did.
Apparently, the Samardzija TD was the only play of the ND game that you witnessed.
 
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When I saw the title of this thread, I figured it was discussing what happens when TCHFCAND tries to make up his mind at a Great American Buffet.

Be careful. When you bring up Charlie Weiss' weight, someone might swoop in and call your character into question for your lack of "class" on an internet message board.
 
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How exactly did you deduce that?
Because the games were incredibly similar. Just because it took longer for ND to score the go ahead TD does not mean that they were not. Also, where Jeff caught the ball, he had a first down, with about 33 seconds on the clock. To imply that ND would not have scored a TD on that drive if Samardzija did not get in on that play, is about the same as saying that UT would not have scored a TD had Brett Smith's catch been ruled an incompletion (I think he caught it, however, it as questionable.)
 
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Because the games were incredibly similar. Just because it took longer for ND to score the go ahead TD does not mean that they were not. Also, where Jeff caught the ball, he had a first down, with about 33 seconds on the clock. To imply that ND would not have scored a TD on that drive if Samardzija did not get in on that play, is about the same as saying that UT would not have scored a TD had Brett Smith's catch been ruled an incompletion (I think he caught it, however, it as questionable.)

Disregarding your earlier obnoxious comment, the difference I see is this. UCLA should have been able to run out the clock to seal the deal. I think most good teams would have been able to do that. I'm not sure how much time they had to kill on their last possession, but I recall thinking that the game would end with the Bruin offense on the field. I thought ND was lucky to get the ball back and lucky to score, as well. Bama was never really in a position where they could focus on running out the clock.
 
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Disregarding your earlier obnoxious comment, the difference I see is this. UCLA should have been able to run out the clock to seal the deal. I think most good teams would have been able to do that. I'm not sure how much time they had to kill on their last possession, but I recall thinking that the game would end with the Bruin offense on the field. I thought ND was lucky to get the ball back and lucky to score, as well. Bama was never really in a position where they could focus on running out the clock.
They had to kill 2:20; they killed 1:19 (ND used 1 timeout.) So, I do not think you can fault UCLAs clock management.
 
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They had to kill 2:20; they killed 1:19 (ND used 1 timeout.) So, I do not think you can fault UCLAs clock management.

OK. That still means that Notre Dame scored in the final minute of the game. That is the stuff that sports miracles and hobnail boots are made of. I don't think UT's final score was that kind of miracle.
 
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OK. That still means that Notre Dame scored in the final minute of the game. That is the stuff that sports miracles and hobnail boots are made of. I don't think UT's final score was that kind of miracle.

i agree, notre dame did seem to get outplayed, as did we, but i also think that if you matchup alabama and ucla, and they both play games similar to those that they played saturday, alabama wins it going away.

the coaches also finally figured out what we have been saying for a while, ND is completely overrated.
 
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I don't think I would call a 1st down, 45 yard TD pass, with 35 seconds on the clock and 2 timeouts a miracle...

Also, had Weiss had any doubt in his offense's ability to execute in under 1:00, he probably would have used the other two timeouts and gotten the ball back with 2:00 on the clock...
 
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i agree, notre dame did seem to get outplayed, as did we, but i also think that if you matchup alabama and ucla, and they both play games similar to those that they played saturday, alabama wins it going away.

the coaches also finally figured out what we have been saying for a while, ND is completely overrated.
Wins it going away? Are you kidding me? I don't think that Alabama is going to walk onto the field with Bear Bryant sitting atop the Ark of the Covenant, and UCLA is going to shake all the way back to the locker room.

Alabama is just as bad, if not worse, than UCLA this year.
 
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I don't think I would call a 1st down, 45 yard TD pass, with 35 seconds on the clock and 2 timeouts a miracle...

Also, had Weiss had any doubt in his offense's ability to execute in under 1:00, he probably would have used the other two timeouts and gotten the ball back with 2:00 on the clock...

We scored with 3:28 remaining. Had we failed to convert on that drive, we would have had at least one more shot at scoring. With the way our defense was playing, we might have gotten two more chances. Had ND not scored on the their last possession, it would have been a loss. It was do-or-die for them. On the other hand, at the end of our game, it was do-or-die for Bama. Bama was looking for a miracle. Obviously, they didn't get it. Actually, if they had, I think that would have made the games more similar, although that would also not result in us jumping ND.
 
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Wins it going away? Are you kidding me? I don't think that Alabama is going to walk onto the field with Bear Bryant sitting atop the Ark of the Covenant, and UCLA is going to shake all the way back to the locker room.

Alabama is just as bad, if not worse, than UCLA this year.

Neither team is great, but I think I would give a slight edge to Bama, because I think they have the better defense. If UCLA had Olsen, they might be better.
 
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We scored with 3:28 remaining. Had we failed to convert on that drive, we would have had at least one more shot at scoring. With the way our defense was playing, we might have gotten two more chances. Had ND not scored on the their last possession, it would have been a loss. It was do-or-die for them. On the other hand, at the end of our game, it was do-or-die for Bama. Bama was looking for a miracle. Obviously, they didn't get it. Actually, if they had, I think that would have made the games more similar, although that would also not result in us jumping ND.
It was do or die on Notre Dame's final possession. However, when comparing these games keep note that UT entered the fourth trailing by 7, ND entered the fourth trailing by 1. UT took their first lead of the game with 3:28 remaining, ND had led. UT suffered early due to uncharacteristic Ainge interceptions (and was extremely lucky that Ainge ran a DB down!) UT missed a FG in a game in which every point is crucial. ND missed a FG in a game in which every point is crucial.
 
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It was do or die on Notre Dame's final possession. However, when comparing these games keep note that UT entered the fourth trailing by 7, ND entered the fourth trailing by 1. UT took their first lead of the game with 3:28 remaining, ND had led. UT suffered early due to uncharacteristic Ainge interceptions (and was extremely lucky that Ainge ran a DB down!) UT missed a FG in a game in which every point is crucial. ND missed a FG in a game in which every point is crucial.

I think that's another difference. UT dominated the fourth quarter. I admit I missed much of the 4th quarter of ND-UCLA, but it didn't seem like the Irish dominated the fourth. Also, if you take away a few costly bad plays in the first half, the game could have easily been a much more solid UT win. Can you say the same about ND? Was their close call largely the result of a few miscues?
 
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I just don't want to see him pull a Mack Brown and get ND to jump UT simply by making the pollsters feel guilty.
I will agree with you on that one. Yet, ND still has a very tough game against USC and we still have very tough games against LSU and Arkansas. If UT and ND win out, then both deserve and will play in (and unless Auburn and Florida do not lose again) BCS Bowl Games.

Also, I think Fulmer would be making noise if UT only had 1 road block left in their path. However, we definitely have 2 huge road blocks, potentially 3 if we end up playing in Atlanta. Two many opportunities for UT to lose and Fulmer to look like an *ss (which, Weiss will if ND does not beat USC.)
 
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ESPN had a good graphic that showed each team's winning percentage. It was in this order: UF, UT, ND. Look at the losses each team had. ND was slapped around by Michigan at home. UT lost to UF by one. And as Mark May pointed out, if Weis is upset now, just wait until after he plays the academies and the rest of the ND schedule.

I never thought I'd be on the same page as Lou Holz but as he said, complaining this early in the season when there is more ball to play and more potential losses is not smart.
 
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Wins it going away? Are you kidding me? I don't think that Alabama is going to walk onto the field with Bear Bryant sitting atop the Ark of the Covenant, and UCLA is going to shake all the way back to the locker room.

Alabama is just as bad, if not worse, than UCLA this year.

I disagree, UCLA is terrible, especially without Ben Olsen. They just played a little bit worse than ND Saturday. Alabama on the other hand, played a decent game, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
 
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Tennessee should be ranked above ND because their only loss of the season was getting spanked by Michigan. Our only loss this season was to UF, and we had every oppurtunity to win the game. We are a play or two away from being undefeated and right in the thick of playing for an NC. Damn Florida. Damn phantom Roughing the Passer penalty. Damn.
 
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Tennessee should be ranked above ND because their only loss of the season was getting spanked by Michigan. Our only loss this season was to UF, and we had every oppurtunity to win the game. We are a play or two away from being undefeated and right in the thick of playing for an NC. Damn Florida. Damn phantom Roughing the Passer penalty. Damn.
As much as Michigan dominated the ND game, ND was still two tipped passes away from turning that game into a contest.

Also, Michigan is still undefeated, so ND's loss was to a team that has no smudges on their record. Florida lost to Auburn and should have lost to Alabama. Michigan is a better team than Florida is.

I do not know who would win if UT and ND played each other. However, seeing as Notre Dame was able to put 21 points on UT in the 4th quarter of 2005 (UT's team was bad in 2005 but the defense was stout,) then I doubt UT would be able to keep the game from turning into a shoot out.
 
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We are a play or two away from being undefeated and right in the thick of playing for an NC. Damn Florida. Damn phantom Roughing the Passer penalty. Damn.
Florida also had a TD called back for a phantom holding call on a punt return.
 

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