Chastity: An Artificial Virtue

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So explain, with your brilliance, why my girlfriend gets so pissed when I sleep around. She only wants her genetic material passed on? I can impregnate other women and she can still get some.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
So explain, with your brilliance, why my girlfriend gets so pissed when I sleep around. She only wants her genetic material passed on? I can impregnate other women and she can still get some.
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that's odd that she would get mad, to liberals we are no different than animals and animals sleep around all the time. did you tell that humans are no different that animals and she's to have any emotions?
 
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Thrasher865 said:
So explain, with your brilliance, why my girlfriend gets so pissed when I sleep around. She only wants her genetic material passed on? I can impregnate other women and she can still get some.
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Division of family labor serves, according to cultural anthropologists, as the reason why women want faithful men; of course, this was also accomplished, for millenia, through bigamy and there are few accounts of women being angered by the fact that their husband slept with multiple wives.
 
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utvolpj said:
why? If you're confident in your daughter's decision making skills then she should be able to handle it right?
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Boys need to be as afraid of having kids as girls should be. I've got one each.
 
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therealUT said:
I did not read it as "male ego". Hume is claiming that no man is going to spend the time/money to take care of a child that is not his (seems reasonable); the only way to ensure the child is his to to keep women from sleeping around; the best way to keep women from sleeping around is to attach some overwhelming shame to women that do.

Now that we have paternity tests, though, why do we need to keep up the sham that is female chastity?
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I'm going to tackle this conversation from a completely different angle.

If you set the bar high then most will fall short but still strive for the bar. Chastity is setting the bar high. It is a standard that human nature makes difficult and in todays age where sex is everywhere it is even harder.

The reason chastity (or not sleeping around) is a good thing is because it begins to change the meaning of sex in a persons mind from something that is special and should be shared by two people who truly love each other into something that is simply carnal and meaningless.

When a society begins to find sex meaningless and its only purpose for carnal gain then issues begin to arise.


What would the abortion rate be if women took sex more serious and made sure the man they were sleeping with had values and was going to be a part of their lives?

What would the STD ratios in the world be if women took sex more serious and made sure sex was about love and trust and between two partners and not just a fling?

What would the poverty rate look like if women took sex more serious?


I tell my girls this all the time: there are millions of girls in the world, millions of women, any girl can grow up to be a woman, but only a few grow up to be ladies. You can do anything and be anything in this world but whatever you chose to do or be do it with respect to yourself.
 
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NEOCON said:
I'm going to tackle this conversation from a completely different angle.

If you set the bar high then most will fall short but still strive for the bar. Chastity is setting the bar high. It is a standard that human nature makes difficult and in todays age where sex is everywhere it is even harder.

The reason chastity (or not sleeping around) is a good thing is because it begins to change the meaning of sex in a persons mind from something that is special and should be shared by two people who truly love each other into something that is simply carnal and meaningless.

When a society begins to find sex meaningless and its only purpose for carnal gain then issues begin to arise.
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Sex is not special. It is a pleasurable biological function that, at times, results in procreation.

NEOCON said:
What would the abortion rate be if women took sex more serious and made sure the man they were sleeping with had values and was going to be a part of their lives?
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I am not sure I care about the abortion rate; however, there are plenty of ways in which to decrease and/or eliminate the risk of pregnancy from sex.

NEOCON said:
What would the STD ratios in the world be if women took sex more serious and made sure sex was about love and trust and between two partners and not just a fling?
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There are plenty of ways in which to decrease risk to STDs; is swimming anti-virtuous because some individuals drown? sky-diving because sometimes the parachute does not open?

NEOCON said:
What would the poverty rate look like if women took sex more serious?
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I have addressed that in my remarks re: "deadbeats".

NEOCON said:
I tell my girls this all the time: there are millions of girls in the world, millions of women, any girl can grow up to be a woman, but only a few grow up to be ladies. You can do anything and be anything in this world but whatever you chose to do or be do it with respect to yourself.
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How is choosing to enjoy a great sensual pleasure a failure to respect yourself?
 
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We are going to simply view this different due to the way we look at the world.


But TRUT hows all those millions of condoms helping the african-american community with the rate of std's and abortions?
 
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NEOCON said:
We are going to simply view this different due to the way we look at the world.


But TRUT hows all those millions of condoms helping the african-american community with the rate of std's and abortions?
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Do you mean the condoms that they do not know how to use? Or, do you mean the condoms that the Catholic Church is telling them not to use? Wait, nevermind, they are the same condoms.

*I also stated that I do not care about the abortion rate.
 
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therealUT said:
A "deadbeat" ostensibly has no respect for virtue, whether natural or artificial; an "upstanding gentleman" ostensibly does. Therefore, a "deadbeat" is more likely to associate with the non-virtuous and take part in non-virtuous deeds.
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Ah, you're using the term "deadbeat" to mean "less inhibited" rather than "incapable or unwilling to provide for offspring." There are many who aren't inhibited by any sense of virtue but are completely capable of taking care of their offspring.

I, personally, view sex through the prism of my religious beliefs. But one doesn't need to share those beliefs in order to view chastity as a positive. From a societal perspective, promiscuity isn't really a problem as long as one takes the proper precautions. But people are stupid, and chastity is preferable to the stupid procreating without the capacity to raise children.

Hume's hypothesis (and by extension, yours) ignore the biological impact that sex has on a person. But I suppose that's really a subject for another time.
 
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bamawriter said:
Ah, you're using the term "deadbeat" to mean "less inhibited" rather than "incapable or unwilling to provide for offspring."
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Yes, I am.

bamawriter said:
I, personally, view sex through the prism of my religious beliefs. But one doesn't need to share those beliefs in order to view chastity as a positive. From a societal perspective, promiscuity isn't really a problem as long as one takes the proper precautions. But people are stupid, and chastity is preferable to the stupid procreating without the capacity to raise children.
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Chastity may be preferable to stupid people procreating without the capacity to raise children; however, I think there are means in which to get this benefit without hanging onto chastity (vasectomies come to mind; and, they are reversible).

bamawriter said:
Hume's hypothesis (and by extension, yours) ignore the biological impact that sex has on a person. But I suppose that's really a subject for another time.
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Biological impact? Or, psychological impact? There are many great documented biological impacts of sex (the following are from WebMD):

- boosts immunity
- burns calories
- improves heart health
- reduces pain
- reduces prostate cancer risk
- strengthens pelvic muscles
- helps people sleep better

Of course, there is the biological risk of STDs; but, again, those can be reduced by taking prudent and precautionary measures.
 
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therealUT said:
Do you mean the condoms that they do not know how to use? Or, do you mean the condoms that the Catholic Church is telling them not to use? Wait, nevermind, they are the same condoms.

*I also stated that I do not care about the abortion rate.
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you really just stated the problem is because they dont know how to put on a condom or the church they go to is anti condoms?

then why is the abortion rate and child per mother ratio so much lower for whites? Are you saying they are smarter and not influenced by the church?
 
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trut, you are entitled to your opinions and I respect them, but please keep me informed as to your receiving a teaching position at a colleg/university, I will chose not to allow any of my three to attend said university......thanks in advance :hi:
 
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therealUT said:
Division of family labor serves, according to cultural anthropologists, as the reason why women want faithful men; of course, this was also accomplished, for millenia, through bigamy and there are few accounts of women being angered by the fact that their husband slept with multiple wives.
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1. It isn't division of labor so much as assurance of stability in the relationship. The man may find better options and the woman would prefer he not look.

2. Polygamy only works when there is an equal arrangement between the male and each individual female.
 
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NEOCON said:
you really just stated the problem is because they dont know how to put on a condom or the church they go to is anti condoms?

then why is the abortion rate and child per mother ratio so much lower for whites? Are you saying they are smarter and not influenced by the church?
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Is that true?
 
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T-TownVol said:
trut, you are entitled to your opinions and I respect them, but please keep me informed as to your receiving a teaching position at a colleg/university, I will chose not to allow any of my three to attend said university......thanks in advance :hi:
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Are they going to study philosophy?
 
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NEOCON said:
you really just stated the problem is because they dont know how to put on a condom or the church they go to is anti condoms?

then why is the abortion rate and child per mother ratio so much lower for whites? Are you saying they are smarter and not influenced by the church?
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Because the whites in Africa are far more educated, on average, than the blacks.
 
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therealUT said:
Because the whites in Africa are far more educated, on average, than the blacks.
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I'm talking about america hence african-american.

But either way, education breeds self respect and self respect breeds a knowledge that ones body, mind, and self has value.

When someone feels they have value and what they can offer to someone is worth something they begin to get picky.
 
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NEOCON said:
I'm talking about america hence african-american.

But either way, education breeds self respect and self respect breeds a knowledge that ones body, mind, and self has value.
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I respect myself, my body, and my mind, and feel that I have value every single time I have sex.

NEOCON said:
When someone feels they have value and what they can offer to someone is worth something they begin to get picky.
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Of course one can be picky; but, one can also offer sex multiple times (it is not as if you can only offer sex once, to one person your entire life).
 
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