Chavis

[VolBeef88]

Hey guys not much of a hot dog man myself...and could care less about the other stuff.

And YES I will confess I have been critical of the performances issued by special teams, offense & to a lesser extent our recruiting results. ALL in my opinion is a direct reflection of the pathetic coaching Fulmer has settled for over the years. I was NOT critical of our defense & have always felt Coach Chavis has improved as a defensive mind & generally has his unit adequately prepared. Furthermore He & his Staff have been our ONLY light of hope for several seasons now!

My friends that high respect was not how I regarded the former special teams coaches & for damn sure the former Offensive Coaching Staff! I'm soooo sorry if that hurts anyones feelings....

I am a UT FAN because I love UT, the State of Tennessee & take pride in their successes. To me part of the equation here is our Head Coaches are responsibile for maintaining a top flight program. In my opinion Fulmer has allowed our program to slip to a level that should NEVER have been accepted by the real vol fan. Andwhat you call sensitive is just many of us are tired of hearing people bash our Team without cause. The D was very good and has been for a while.

Yes, yes I know there are those that simply believe what Fulmer does, says, believes or leads us into. Is undisputably the only option UT fb has. I simply do not subscribe to that! If I believe UT's Football Staff has gotten lazy, ineffective, overpaid, unproductive, unimaginative, non-innovative, can't develop excellent talent, appear to stay flat the ENTIRE season, and often look like they're clueless, I'm probably going to say that.

Again, I probably need to apologize to some of the more sensitive fans. Hot dogs exclused.

You say that CPF has "settled" over the years. Are you in the camp that believes that last 2004 was not a very good year of coaching?

 

[utvolpj]

Hey, I'm not that sensitive but it gets old. It's like you set your function keys to reply to any post:

F1- underachieved
F2- Fulmer
F3- Fulmer
F4- Coaching staff
F5- reserved (was for Sanders)
F6- sliding for 6 years
F7- fat and overpaid

Did I miss any? Get some new material or go join tidefans and you'll fit in just fine. :biggrin2:

How can you not live gamedogs? Gotta use the dijon!!

 

[Low Country Vol]

I do recall that the Georgia game was a 1 possession in the 4th until they returned the punt for a td which demoralized the entire team. The defense kept UT in the game until that point and it was costly turnovers by the offense that shot them in the foot. Same goes for the Notre Dame game.

You can look at the score results and say the defense allowed those points. That is too easy an assessment but if you actually watched the games you know it was not all the defenses fault.

 

[VolBeef88]

Hey, I'm not that sensitive but it gets old. It's like you set your function keys to reply to any post:

F1- underachieved
F2- Fulmer
F3- Fulmer
F4- Coaching staff
F5- reserved (was for Sanders)
F6- sliding for 6 years
F7- fat and overpaid

Did I miss any? Get some new material or go join tidefans and you'll fit in just fine. :biggrin2:

How can you not live gamedogs? Gotta use the dijon!!

I'm with you PJ. The Dogs are all BEEF dogs and they are good. Now chicken on the other hand?! I'm for banning all chicken at Neyland. Ok, all chicken in the whole US!

 

[ddubb76]

I'm with you PJ. The Dogs are all BEEF dogs and they are good. Now chicken on the other hand?! I'm for banning all chicken at Neyland. Ok, all chicken in the whole US!

Ya know that kicking realvol is kinda like him kicking the coaching staff, and while I completely disagree with what he posted I think he got the point. The defense was stellar last year, at the beginning of the season. I do have to say that I think they gave up the end of the season, something that I would consider a bad flaw with the players, because I think there is no excuse for quitting, but after their season I cant blame them either. THe great thing I have noticed about this board is that we get our opinions out and if you like it you like it, if not oh well. without realvol b__tching about some coach, what would we have to talk about other than bball.

 

[Jasongivm6]

Hey guys not much of a hot dog man myself...and could care less about the other stuff.

And YES I will confess I have been critical of the performances issued by special teams, offense & to a lesser extent our recruiting results. ALL in my opinion is a direct reflection of the pathetic coaching Fulmer has settled for over the years. I was NOT critical of our defense & have always felt Coach Chavis has improved as a defensive mind & generally has his unit adequately prepared. Furthermore He & his Staff have been our ONLY light of hope for several seasons now!

My friends that high respect was not how I regarded the former special teams coaches & for damn sure the former Offensive Coaching Staff! I'm soooo sorry if that hurts anyones feelings....

I am a UT FAN because I love UT, the State of Tennessee & take pride in their successes. To me part of the equation here is our Head Coaches are responsibile for maintaining a top flight program. In my opinion Fulmer has allowed our program to slip to a level that should NEVER have been accepted by the real vol fan.

Yes, yes I know there are those that simply believe what Fulmer does, says, believes or leads us into. Is undisputably the only option UT fb has. I simply do not subscribe to that! If I believe UT's Football Staff has gotten lazy, ineffective, overpaid, unproductive, unimaginative, non-innovative, can't develop excellent talent, appear to stay flat the ENTIRE season, and often look like they're clueless, I'm probably going to say that.

Again, I probably need to apologize to some of the more sensitive fans. Hot dogs exclused.

What do you mean slip to a level that SHOULD NEVER have been accepted by a real UT fan?

Were you not a UT fan in the 70's and 80's?

 

[utvolpj]

What do you mean slip to a level that SHOULD NEVER have been accepted by a real UT fan?

Were you not a UT fan in the 70's and 80's?

It seems many people who say it should not be accepted also think CPF stabbed CJM in the back. Was '88 acceptable to these people? We stumbled through some pretty lack-luster years then and was bad to get rid of the coach? I have trouble seeing it both ways.

 

[jakez4ut]

oh, man, what a sore subject that is....

 

[utvolpj]

oh, man, what a sore subject that is....

Well we had a Clausen, Fulmer, Chavis and recruiting thread so I figured what the heck. :biggrin2:

 

[VolBeef88]

Ya know that kicking realvol is kinda like him kicking the coaching staff, and while I completely disagree with what he posted I think he got the point. The defense was stellar last year, at the beginning of the season. I do have to say that I think they gave up the end of the season, something that I would consider a bad flaw with the players, because I think there is no excuse for quitting, but after their season I cant blame them either. THe great thing I have noticed about this board is that we get our opinions out and if you like it you like it, if not oh well. without realvol b__tching about some coach, what would we have to talk about other than bball.

That post was not kicking "realVol". It was kicking Chicken and suggesting BEEF!

 

[volmanjr]

Ya know that kicking realvol is kinda like him kicking the coaching staff

the coaching staff hasn't highjacked every thread they ever posted in either

 

[ddubb76]

That post was not kicking "realVol". It was kicking Chicken and suggesting BEEF!

Just hit reply on the last post, was not aiming particullarly at your post. And as far as the post about him hijacking every post, I have noticed, my short time on the board he does seem negative towards the program, and I have one question for realvol. Would you be happy to clean house, start new with some fresh energized blood, so we can really have something to fuss about the next five, six, ten years of rebuilding? Look at the programs that have fired their coaches and started new, Nebraska, Florida, etc. Florida did better than I thought they would have but they also went through two coaches since Spurrier. And I know that Spurrier was not fired, but they still are going through that transition. THen look at a team that kept their coach through a few rough years. Penn State and Paterno,if they would have fired him last year do you think they would have done as good as they did last year or have the recruiting class they had. Jmo

 

[WA_Vol]

The actual stats on the defense from last year are:

Total Defense (ypg): #12
Scoring Defense: #18
Rushing Defense: #2
Pass Efficiency Defense: #41

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...S_PER_GAME.html

The rushing defense was one of the best ever at UT, but the pass defense was average. As a result, the defense wasn't a top 10 defense. The pass defense needed improvement.
This wasn't the first year with an outstanding rushing defense that was hampered by an average pass defense.

 

[WA_Vol]

I don't agree with the arguement that changing coaching staffs usually sets a program back. Look at these coaching changes and look how it improved the team's program: LSU (Saban replaces Dinardo), GA (Richt replaces Donavon), Florida (Meyer replaces Zook), Auburn (Tubberville replaces Bowden), SC (Spurrier replaces Holtz). Thats 5 coaching changes just in the SEC that produced remarkable improvements.

By the way, Spurrier left to go to the NFL. Florida had no choice but to replace him, and Osbourne retired at Nebraska. Your misrepresenting what happened to those programs. Those programs were forced to make coaching changes that they normally would have never considered.

 

[ddubb76]

I don't agree with the arguement that changing coaching staffs usually sets a program back. Look at these coaching changes and look how it improved the team's program: LSU (Saban replaces Dinardo), GA (Richt replaces Donavon), Florida (Meyer replaces Zook), Auburn (Tubberville replaces Bowden), SC (Spurrier replaces Holtz). Thats 5 coaching changes just in the SEC that produced remarkable improvements.

By the way, Spurrier left to go to the NFL. Florida had no choice but to replace him, and Osbourne retired at Nebraska. Your misrepresenting what happened to those programs. Those programs were forced to make coaching changes that they normally would have never considered.

I stated in my post that I knew spurrier was not fired, but look at it . Zook's class is still on the field. Urban screwed that team up imo. Spurrier got lucky both fl, and sc will be down this year. Cant argue with Richt or Tubberville other than Auburn was ready to run him off before their rebound. I am not saying that if your elite program is consistently getting run down, not to make changes, but I also think we jump too soon. And if a coach can right the ship, I would rather put up with one bad season, rather than putting up with serveral after hes gone.

 

[thunder5]

I for one am not happy with the way things have been heading lately, but I'm not calling for Fulmers head either. I'm going to wait unitl the end of next year, after Fulmer's had a chance to respond to 05, to pass a serious judgement on the state of the program.
As far as the defense is concerned, 05 would have been alot worse without some of the amazing efforts put forth by the unit. We would have gone to overtime and possibly lost to UAB(UAB for Christs sake) if it weren't for Moreley's pass break up and an overall excellent effort against a stud QB. If the D didn't just stone LSU in the second half and Hefney hadn't intercepted Russell, we wouldn't have had time to finish that comeback. If Wade hadn't intercepted Shockley and returned it to the 1 yard line then we're not in position to win in the fourth quarter(even though we didn't). The Memphis game could have easily been lost without the D since our offense did practically nothing.
My point is, yes the D did start to give up at the end of the season which is inexcusable. But we could have been 3-8 or 2-9 without them. One of the few things that doesn't make me want to puke when I think about this past season was the way the D responded after being put in a whole time and time again by our offense and unspecial teams. You can only ask a defensive unit to do so much.

 

[SpPirate06]

How can you blame our defense for Ainge throwing interceptions that get returned for touchdowns? Our defense was top notch last year, good enough to compete for a NC. They got ZERO help from our offense and was out on the field for much too long and put in some horrible situations. I am surprised they did as well as they did.

Your going a little bit to far with the defense thing. If South Carolina & Vandy put that many points on us just think if we was playing USC or Texas last year. I mean our offense didnt help them out any but still I dont see our defense being that good last year

 

[VolBeef88]

Your going a little bit to far with the defense thing. If South Carolina & Vandy put that many points on us just think if we was playing USC or Texas last year. I mean our offense didnt help them out any but still I dont see our defense being that good last year

I thought the D was very good last year. I don't care how good your D is if your O turns the ball over a lot and Special teams gives them great field position then you will get scored on. Take for instance perhapse the greatest football D in history. The 85 Bears. The only game they lost was when their O was horrible against the Dolphins and their Special teams had a one game melt down.
Perhaps the biggest disapointment is that we did not have good enough of an offense to help us get to see a truly great D.

 

[IBleedOrange]

Your going a little bit to far with the defense thing. If South Carolina & Vandy put that many points on us just think if we was playing USC or Texas last year. I mean our offense didnt help them out any but still I dont see our defense being that good last year

well you cant blame 7 of the points that SC scored on us because of a fumble inside the 10 that foster gave up and i dont care how good ANY defense is, holding ANY team to less than 10 yards on a goaline stand is pretty dang tough and i didnt get to watch the vandy game since it wasnt televised where i'm at but i'm sure we gave them a short field several times as well

 

[IBleedOrange]

also, it's like somebody said on here earlier, when your offense is going 3 and out and your defense spends all that time on the field, it's tough to catch your breath and eventually you get wore out and it obviously is disappointing when the defense makes a stop and you're right back on the field again cause the offense just went 3 and out for the 50th time

 

[kiddiedoc]

I like this thread so much that I'm going to chip in a little vote for the "Smokey Dogs." That's just always been my standby, every since my pre-college days. Smoked sausage, a nice soggy, steamy bun, and a pack of Gulden's mustard is a perfect compliment to some Tennessee Jed and Coke.

 

[allvol]

I was reading a blog from last year and the guy had an interesting observation. UT's defense gave up a lot of points in several losses; 27 to Georgia, 41 to Notre Dame, 28 to Vandy, and 20 to South Carolina.

If UT could have held all of those teams to 14 points, UT could have been 8-3, losing only to Alabama 6-3 and Florida 16-7. And going to overtime against GA instead of losing 27-14.

For the most part last year, Sanders, Fulmer, and the rest of the offense took most of the blame for UT's 5-6 season. Granted the defense spend a huge amount of time on the field, and a lot of points where the result of poor field position, special teams, etc. But maybe the defense wasn't as good as everyone thought it was last year? Maybe it is asking too much to expect the defense to hold Notre Dame and Georgia to 14 points. But what about South Carolina and Vandy?

Georgia scored 17 legitimate points on the UT defense. One field goal following a turnover (where the dawgs made no yards) plus a punt return for a touchdown accounted for 10 points of their 27 points.

Notre Dame scored twice off of an interception return and punt return. They also scored a field goal following an interception, another field goal following a long punt return, and a short touchdown following a fumble. In all, Notre Dame scored 14 points on standard drives. Their 343 total yards was their 2nd lowest of the season behind their output against USC.

Uh.... South Carolina only scored 16 points. Their first touchdown drive was only 19 yards after getting a turnover.

The 315 passing yards given to Vandy at the beginning and end of the game shows that a team must play for a full 60 minutes. The UT defense looked awesome during the middle 2 quarters of the game. However, they looked very bad when it counted the most.