Chick-Fil-A President: Men shouldn't eat other men's chicken

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Weezer said:
There does seem to be a big movement to suppress gay rights. Gay people have been killed simply for being gay. Having to hide who you truly are is a form of slavery unto itself. As I previously stated, the struggles of blacks were better documented because you can't hide your skin color. You can pretend to be someone you're not if it keeps you alive. There are stories of Jews who successfully hid they were Jewish during WWII. Sometimes, you do what you have to do just to survive.
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Likening a voluntary choice of sexual preference and whether or not it is accepted in society to the struggles of black people for hundreds of years with REAL slavery is extremely offensive IMO. I couldn't disagree more.
 
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theFallGuy said:
Likening a voluntary choice of sexual preference and whether or not it is accepted in society to the struggles of black people for hundreds of years with REAL slavery is extremely offensive IMO. I couldn't disagree more.
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is sexual preference a choice?
 
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theFallGuy said:
I believe so yes. IMO

I know some will argue otherwise.
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I respect your opinion, but can tell you from personal experience that I am sure there is no choice involved - and that has been the same position of every other homosexual with which I have discussed the topic.

So, IF there is no choice in sexuality one could make a comparison strictly in terms of fighting for equality/civil rights struggle. While some gay people have been killed or in some way persecuted solely based on their sexuality, the two are not really comparable in terms of violence, persecution, and the like.
 
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Well it was the first amendment to begin with and now we have people trying to explain why they're this way or that way. Yep.... The media did another fine job with this one.
 
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Cartervol said:
Well it was the first amendment to begin with and now we have people trying to explain why they're this way or that way. Yep.... The media did another fine job with this one.
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yep. apparently, if you went to CFA on Aug. 1, then you're a bigoted homophobe. Also, history will equate you with segregationists.
 
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Weezer said:
wtf? I guess I've been hiding under a rock. I went to Chik-Fil-A yesterday. I knew it seemed a little more busy than normal, but I had no idea it was in support of Cathy's statements, lol. I haven't really paid attention since his initial statement. I disagree with his views, but he has the right to his beliefs. That said, govt isn't supposed to be based upon religion but the rights of the governed. Gay marriage doesn't infringe upon Mr. Cathy's rights, so I don't see how his statements should factor into the issue.

The question on right of refusal of service, a business cannot refuse service based upon race, gender, national origin, or religion as it violates civil rights laws. The federal law does not prohibit refusal of service based on sexual orientation, but some state laws do. Personally, I think the LGBT movement should found their own church and declare themselves a religion. What constitutes a religion anyway? It's a set system of beliefs. They believe in their rights to be who they are. Christianity, or any other religion, should not be allowed to deny them that. Some people's views on right of refusal make me laugh. Could you imagine a store owner in today's world putting up a "No Coloreds" or "Whites Only" sign? People would lose their minds.

As for a comparison of the struggles of blacks and gays in this country, there isn't much of one to be made. They're two unique fights. Blacks can't exactly hide their skin color so of course their struggles were more public. Gays and lesbians can hide their sexual orientation from the general public, but that itself is its own kind of slavery. Never being allowed to be yourself is a slavery of the soul. What happens between consenting adults is not something the public should concern itself with. Please note the "consenting adults" part because inevitably someone likes to run with the general "well if the public should turn its head" arguement and try to make it address matters that do not pertain to consenting adults.

In the end, everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but laws are supposed to address a person's individual rights. There's a reason our countries forefathers proposed a separation of church and state. It should remain that way. In the fight of equal rights, religion should not play a role.
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When was anyone refused services?
 
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gcbvol said:
Agreed. Moronic and not helping in any way. Maybe I am completely naive, but it seems very simple to me - you don't respond to hate, or perceived hate, with more hate. Most people do not respond well to hateful words/actions. Makes no sense to me.
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And very hypocritical.
 
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@pambesteder Gasp! Chick-Fil-A is so filled with hate that they took WATER out to those protesting their business!
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(Looks photoshopped, but probably not too far from the truth)

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Smith pulled the video from YouTube, but by then, it had already gone viral. People on both sides of the debate blasted him for his treatment of the woman in thousands of posts online.

On Thursday, Smith’s boss at Vante, CEO Roger Vogel, cashiered Smith.

“Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A,” the company said in a statement. “Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.
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So, he takes the time to come up with his plan. Doesn't think twice about it.

He apparently sat waiting in the drive thru line for an extended period of time, so he had enough time to think about what he was doing. Still, nothing crosses his mind that this might not be a good idea.

He drives away from the CFA with the video and goes home/to work before uploading the video. Still nothing crosses his mind.

He gets on youtube and posts video, yet nothing crosses his mind before he hits "upload".

But only when he has the video go viral, does he start to get thoughts that maybe this isn't a good idea.

And this guy was a CFO. These are the type of people that make decisions about where our economy is going. Is it any wonder why this country is going down the drain right now?
 
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Glad to see Mr. Smith fired from his job. Put someone more useful in his position that can conduct his or herself in a more professional manner.
 
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theFallGuy said:
Likening a voluntary choice of sexual preference and whether or not it is accepted in society to the struggles of black people for hundreds of years with REAL slavery is extremely offensive IMO. I couldn't disagree more.
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Gotta say, I don't care if you're offended. You have a right to your opinion, I have a right to mine.

YOU may feel I have somehow made light of the historical struggles of blacks, I do not. There are different forms of slavery. Chains do not have to be physical to bind someone. Gays and lesbians have been taught for generations that they are freaks of nature, sinful creatures, abominations to God, and a litany of other terms. They've been taught to be ashamed of who they are. If you think that's okay, I think your wrong.

What I find disturbing about believing sexual orientation is a choice is there is no logic to support someone choosing to be gay. Why would anyone choose to be gay? The bigotry they face is not something a person would choose to endure. Limited rights, physical threats, having to pretend you're someone you're not, why would someone choose that? There is no benefit in "choosing" to be gay, so why would anyone make that choice?
 
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Weezer said:
No one was refused service. My comments were based on earlier posts in the thread where the right of refusal of service was discussed.
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You cited the current laws. What are your on views on the subject? Should the be able to refuse service if they so desired?
 
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