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Orangeburst said:
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Fat Amy or Warrior Penguin. Apparently without all the magic electronics working, the F-35 is fairly mediocre as a fighter. When you read up on it, it seems like an airplane merged with a super Play Station with real missiles and a gun ... just not many missiles because they have to be inside to be stealthy. The weird part is that somebody decided that a gun should be included ... this time, but the plane doesn't have the nose control to get the gun pointed where it needs to be in a fight.
 
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AM64 said:
Fat Amy or Warrior Penguin. Apparently without all the magic electronics working, the F-35 is fairly mediocre as a fighter. When you read up on it, it seems like an airplane merged with a super Play Station with real missiles and a gun ... just not many missiles because they have to be inside to be stealthy. The weird part is that somebody decided that a gun should be included ... this time, but the plane doesn't have the nose control to get the gun pointed where it needs to be in a fight.
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you need to read the tweet transcript in English
 
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Orangeburst said:
you need to read the tweet in English
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Good to know theirs are even worse when it comes to maneuvering and their pilots aren't as well trained across the board. The AF plan is that the F-35 will kill from a distance without being detected and that close up encounters are history. The AF also decided at one time missiles were the thing and guns were obsolete ... and then they went to Vietnam against obsolete Russian fighters. No doubt the F-35 has a lot of capability if pilots are allowed to use it, missiles perform as intended, and if everything can be kept working.
 
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AM64 said:
Good to know theirs are even worse when it comes to maneuvering and their pilots aren't as well trained across the board. The AF plan is that the F-35 will kill from a distance without being detected and that close up encounters are history. The AF also decided at one time missiles were the thing and guns were obsolete ... and then they went to Vietnam against obsolete Russian fighters. No doubt the F-35 has a lot of capability if pilots are allowed to use it, missiles perform as intended, and if everything can be kept working.
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think of your specialty
Electronic Warfare..that is the future and it is now
 
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Orangeburst said:
think of your specialty
Electronic Warfare..that is the future and it is now
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That's true, and you suppose with more experience that missiles work better these days. The first Sidewinders were pretty sketchy which was why the planes (like the F-4) carrying them needed guns. The thing that seems off to me is that China has the ability to put a lot of planes in the sky and we are limiting numbers of fighters due to the cost and due to maintenance. The F-35 carries 4 missiles internally - that's not very many, and can carry more externally but give up stealth. It looks like a numbers game with fewer planes and probably fewer missiles used in a sniper mode against a likely number superior enemy. Sometimes hunches or best suppositions work out and sometimes they don't. The problem is we have a Plan A, and because of the expense of Plan A there doesn't seem to be a Plan B unless it is keeping a lot of older planes with lots of use around, and the military seems determined to get rid of those to pay for Plan A.
 
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AM64 said:
That's true, and you suppose with more experience that missiles work better these days. The first Sidewinders were pretty sketchy which was why the planes (like the F-4) carrying them needed guns. The thing that seems off to me is that China has the ability to put a lot of planes in the sky and we are limiting numbers of fighters due to the cost and due to maintenance. The F-35 carries 4 missiles internally - that's not very many, and can carry more externally but give up stealth. It looks like a numbers game with fewer planes and probably fewer missiles used in a sniper mode against a likely number superior enemy. Sometimes hunches or best suppositions work out and sometimes they don't. The problem is we have a Plan A, and because of the expense of Plan A there doesn't seem to be a Plan B unless it is keeping a lot of older planes with lots of use around, and the military seems determined to get rid of those to pay for Plan A.
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Largely agree with this...the F18 super hornets and most modern spec F16 vipers need to be produced en masse for a conflict with China IMO. Numbers matter if they are far greater....

Also...we need to avoid war with China . Without being weak. Power and strength are where peace comes from. Not weak knees and braindead Joe.


* totally unrelated:

I have read a couple articles from respected services saying we discovered rare earth elements on the ocean floor that dwarf Chinas deposits....we need to be working hard at getting the means to mine that crap right NOW....not later.
 
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'The Deadliest Threat America's ever faced': Mass-produced in China, trafficked from Puerto Rico and available online for just $1 a KILO — why the flesh-rotting zombie drug 'tranq' has the DEA terrified

A cheap animal tranquilizer being mass-manufactured in China and flooding America's illicit drug supply is terrifying health officials.

Xylazine, or 'tranq' as it's known on the street, has been dubbed a 'zombie drug' due to the hunched-over, lifeless state it leaves users in and fact that it causes users' bodies to erupt in gaping wounds.

It is mainly being mixed with fentanyl to create a fatal cocktail, which the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) has described as 'the deadliest threat our country has ever faced.'

The DEA is concerned for multiple reasons. Xylazine is unbelievably cheap - Dailymail.com found the drug for low as $1 per kilogram on online Chinese pharmacies - and because it has some of the same euphoric effects as opioids, it's highly addictive.

But xylazine has an even more sinister side. It causes a host of horrific side effects, including rotting skin and a zombified stupor dubbed the 'dope lean.' And - unlike fentanyl and other opioids - there is no antidote for overdoses, meaning taking too much xylazine can be a death sentence.

'The deadliest threat America's ever faced': Mass-produced in China, trafficked from Puerto Rico and available online for just $1 a KILO - why the flesh-rotting zombie drug 'tranq' has the DEA terrified | Daily Mail Online
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
'The Deadliest Threat America's ever faced': Mass-produced in China, trafficked from Puerto Rico and available online for just $1 a KILO — why the flesh-rotting zombie drug 'tranq' has the DEA terrified

A cheap animal tranquilizer being mass-manufactured in China and flooding America's illicit drug supply is terrifying health officials.

Xylazine, or 'tranq' as it's known on the street, has been dubbed a 'zombie drug' due to the hunched-over, lifeless state it leaves users in and fact that it causes users' bodies to erupt in gaping wounds.

It is mainly being mixed with fentanyl to create a fatal cocktail, which the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) has described as 'the deadliest threat our country has ever faced.'

The DEA is concerned for multiple reasons. Xylazine is unbelievably cheap - Dailymail.com found the drug for low as $1 per kilogram on online Chinese pharmacies - and because it has some of the same euphoric effects as opioids, it's highly addictive.

But xylazine has an even more sinister side. It causes a host of horrific side effects, including rotting skin and a zombified stupor dubbed the 'dope lean.' And - unlike fentanyl and other opioids - there is no antidote for overdoses, meaning taking too much xylazine can be a death sentence.

'The deadliest threat America's ever faced': Mass-produced in China, trafficked from Puerto Rico and available online for just $1 a KILO - why the flesh-rotting zombie drug 'tranq' has the DEA terrified | Daily Mail Online
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we are at war with China and don’t even know it
 
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Orangeburst said:
TSMC Delays Arizona Factory Opening Due to Insufficient Skilled Local Talent

absolutely pathetic and will just get worse
this nation is on its last legs as the dominant power
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Can't stand you guys who keep saying we're doomed. Go live somewhere else.

You really don't know what you're talking about. The F-35 is not a dogfighter per se, it is a superior weapons platform, one to two generations ahead of anything else in the air in its electronic capabilities.

But if you're going to want the best pure dogfighter you go to the F-22, the ultimate fighter. Of course, both are built in America.

There's a simple test, whose fighters would you want to fly into combat, theirs or ours? If you say anything other than ours, you're a liar.

I've got 3500+ military pilot hours. I never felt I was given anything less than the finest aircraft in the world and I flew with the best aviators in the world.
 
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WBO said:
Can't stand you guys who keep saying we're doomed. Go live somewhere else.

You really don't know what you're talking about. The F-35 is not a dogfighter per se, it is a superior weapons platform, one to two generations ahead of anything else in the air in its electronic capabilities.

But if you're going to want the best pure dogfighter you go to the F-22, the ultimate fighter. Of course, both are built in America.

There's a simple test, whose fighters would you want to fly into combat, theirs or ours? If you say anything other than ours, you're a liar.

I've got 3500+ military pilot hours. I never felt I was given anything less than the finest aircraft in the world and I flew with the best aviators in the world.
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where the **** have I said anything negative about the F-35 capabilities which I have been a proponent of since the X-35?

Our labor pool is weak and number of STEM grads is weak.

As far as “go live somewhere else”, I am not a SJW and demanding all this radical societal change like your ilk
 
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WBO said:
Can't stand you guys who keep saying we're doomed. Go live somewhere else.

You really don't know what you're talking about. The F-35 is not a dogfighter per se, it is a superior weapons platform, one to two generations ahead of anything else in the air in its electronic capabilities.

But if you're going to want the best pure dogfighter you go to the F-22, the ultimate fighter. Of course, both are built in America.

There's a simple test, whose fighters would you want to fly into combat, theirs or ours? If you say anything other than ours, you're a liar.

I've got 3500+ military pilot hours. I never felt I was given anything less than the finest aircraft in the world and I flew with the best aviators in the world.
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another thing…
you and your ilk talk about the world as we know it is gonna end if we don’t limit gas appliances and cow farts, yet are looking to block the sun to mitigate..
****ing pathetic
 
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Orangeburst said:
TSMC Delays Arizona Factory Opening Due to Insufficient Skilled Local Talent

absolutely pathetic and will just get worse
this nation is on its last legs as the dominant power
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Wonder if they picked a bad location. Not enough local workforce and others unwilling to relocate due to cost of living. We certainly have a problem with the loss of skilled labor since manufacturing was shipped out of the country, but it seems that available skills aren't necessarily homogenous and there are several "tech corridors" across the country. When you get rid of manufacturing - especially that requiring skilled labor, you are committing economic suicide; and we did it really well - one of the few things we've excelled at in the last 20 years or so.
 
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hog88 said:
I'd like to know what US laws he broke especially if he is no longer a US citizen. Sounds fishy to me.
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I definitely agree that they are making an example of him, and maybe there is or isn't a law covering this. He claims he divulged no "proprietary information", but wouldn't any demonstration of US military tactics or ways of doing things be exactly that? If the claim about teaching Chinese pilots how to land and takeoff from carriers is true, then that is certainly something not taught in normal non-military flight schools in the US. Navy pilots will always have you believe it is a rather specialized skill that only a few are good enough to master, so let the Chinese figure it out on their own.
 
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AM64 said:
I definitely agree that they are making an example of him, and maybe there is or isn't a law covering this. He claims he divulged no "proprietary information", but wouldn't any demonstration of US military tactics or ways of doing things be exactly that? If the claim about teaching Chinese pilots how to land and takeoff from carriers is true, then that is certainly something not taught in normal non-military flight schools in the US. Navy pilots will always have you believe it is a rather specialized skill that only a few are good enough to master, so let the Chinese figure it out on their own.
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You can get videos on youtube showing how to land on a ACC. Not exactly top secret information.
 
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