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85SugarVol said:
Flood? Saw something about it. More money…
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CCP is buying influence andnow it seems rather blackmail

www.theguardian.com

Pacific Island leaders warn US failure to pass funding bill opens door to China

The Federated States of Micronesia, the Marshall Islands and Palau say Congress needs to approve fresh support announced by Joe Biden
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

apnews.com

Biden budget aims at China with billions for Pacific islands

Alarmed by China's success in wooing Pacific island nations, the Biden administration is proposing to spend billions to keep three of those countries in the U.S. orbit.
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85SugarVol said:
Flood? Saw something about it. More money…
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a lot of articles..seems like pay or else.
I think we were paying The Philippines hundreds of millions year for leases, and they still kicked us out. Only because of Spratleys they want us back…I get it..it is realpolitik, but dang, sometimes allies are not worth it.
 
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85SugarVol said:
@Orangeburst

Sounds like a party…


I can’t imagine us sending 5 Super Carriers to the Pacific. I’m thinking 3 big boys and a couple America Class with a full complement of F-35B’s.

That’s still a crowded field though, and a hell of a lot of firepower….
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2 questions. Can we man 5 carriers at once and does the F-35 have the range to keep the carriers out of range of Chinese land based missiles?
 
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Orangeburst said:
a lot of articles..seems like pay or else.
I think we were paying The Philippines hundreds of millions year for leases, and they still kicked us out. Only because of Spratleys they want us back…I get it..it is realpolitik, but dang, sometimes allies are not worth it.
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We want back as much as they want us back. And they had good reason to want us gone when they did.
The main thing is that today they and we are cooperating. That should continue unless Duterte gets back in power.
 
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hog88 said:
2 questions. Can we man 5 carriers at once and does the F-35 have the range to keep the carriers out of range of Chinese land based missiles?
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The answer to both questions is NO. Long term supplying both weaponry to Israel (pre-Hamas War) and weaponry to Ukraine, we're nearly out of ammo and money. No again because we've been stupid enough to let China gain access to our institutions such as MIT, Poly Tech etc. to literally steal blueprints to our drone tech, advanced aviation tech, missile tech etc. They are very techno advanced now, so could match us punch for punch, since we've given them the bullet and the gun to shoot us with. Sure, we would still win, but would the price be worth it? You can go hog wild with this if you want.
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hog88 said:
2 questions. Can we man 5 carriers at once and does the F-35 have the range to keep the carriers out of range of Chinese land based missiles?
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1. Yes, we could. But that would be almost all of our manned Super Carriers in one spot. We usually only deploy about 6 at any one time.

2. Yes, it does… With the added range afforded it by the (@Orangeburst wait for it)…. MQ-25

I think 3 Super Carriers + 2 Lightning Carriers is the more likely configuration. Though the F-35B’s off the America decks would not have the same range (probably deployed in an air superiority / security & sensing type mission).
 
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85SugarVol said:
1. Yes, we could. But that would be almost all of our manned Super Carriers in one spot. We usually only deploy about 6 at any one time.

2. Yes, it does… With the added range afforded it by the (@Orangeburst wait for it)…. MQ-25

I think 3 Super Carriers + 2 Lightning Carriers is the more likely configuration. Though the F-35B’s off the America decks would not have the same range (probably deployed in an air superiority / security & sensing type mission).
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Thanks.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
The answer to both questions is NO. Long term supplying both weaponry to Israel (pre-Hamas War) and weaponry to Ukraine, we're nearly out of ammo and money. No again because we've been stupid enough to let China gain access to our institutions such as MIT, Poly Tech etc. to literally steal blueprints to our drone tech, advanced aviation tech, missile tech etc. They are very techno advanced now, so could match us punch for punch, since we've given them the bullet and the gun to shoot us with. Sure, we would still win, but would the price be worth it? You can go hog wild with this if you want.
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But we can’t build Virginia attack subs… Really need 2+ per year coming off the lines.

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Navy Will Ask for 1 Virginia-Class Sub in FY 25 Shipbuilding Budget, Increase Amphib Production - USNI News

THE PENTAGON – The Navy’s Fiscal Year 2025 budget will ask Congress to fund one Virginia-class attack boat, a break from a steady two-per-year demand signal from the service and a sign that industry is still catching up to the current demand, three sources familiar with the proposed budget...
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85SugarVol said:
But we can’t build Virginia attack subs… Really need 2+ per year coming off the lines.

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Navy Will Ask for 1 Virginia-Class Sub in FY 25 Shipbuilding Budget, Increase Amphib Production - USNI News

THE PENTAGON – The Navy’s Fiscal Year 2025 budget will ask Congress to fund one Virginia-class attack boat, a break from a steady two-per-year demand signal from the service and a sign that industry is still catching up to the current demand, three sources familiar with the proposed budget...
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we gonna be thin as they start cutting LA class boats..it was alreay dipping below 50. Hopefully they can life stretch depends on nuke core I suppose.

I was hoping infrastructure investment was paying off, but will take long time. 1.3 boats per year is long ways from 2.3..gotta think Australia may need to rethink.

Another thing, just last year there was discussion of divesting all Gators..me thinks the Pentagon is winging it.
 
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headhunter15 said:


U.S. intelligence knew almost to the minute that Russia was going to invade Ukraine. You would think the U.S. would act before this happened.
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If China attacked mainland USA with an EMP then we would have nothing to worry about.

Because the volley of ICBMs which are entirely unaffected by that EMP would land 1000 or so nuclear warheads on China proper and we are all toast at that point. Nuclear winter it is. No way in Hell we tolerate a strike on the lower 48 by a near peer adversary without opening those ancient silos. Which is why they will never do that.

Coincidentally we are currently in the process of upgrading those ICBMs as we speak. The WW2 era Minuteman types are being replaced by Sentinels. They are far deadlier even than their predecessors. Nobody wants to see these coming...which is the beauty of the deterrent via mutually assured destruction. In truth, most of the important targets will already be gone by the time the ICBMs get there. Our nuclear subs armed with the Trident nuclear missiles are always much closer to China and therefore would be first to strike. Shorter flight time when the subs lurk beneath the waves hundreds of miles away instead of thousands. The Tridents are really the tip of the spear (pun intended) when it comes to our nuclear strike abilities.

Heres some info about those new Sentinels we are installing up north:

Sentinel ICBM (LGM-35A)

www.afnwc.af.mil

Edit: correction...after reading the article i had quickly linked, the ICBM system is not WW2 era...it wasnt installed/online until 1970. My bad. Also the article states that we have (acknowledge anyway) 400 ICBMs but my post says 1000 or so strikes. Thats because each ICBM has multiple warheads that can be released from each missiles glide vehicle once they reenter the atmosphere from the edge of space. Amazing technology, especially since theyre 50+ years old. Theres a cool video that 60 Minutes did not long ago detailing this stuff and the airmen that man them. If anyones interested I am sure I can find it again and link it here.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
If China attacked mainland USA with an EMP then we would have nothing to worry about.

Because the volley of ICBMs which are entirely unaffected by that EMP would land 1000 or so nuclear warheads on China proper and we are all toast at that point. Nuclear winter it is. No way in Hell we tolerate a strike on the lower 48 by a near peer adversary without opening those ancient silos. Which is why they will never do that.

Coincidentally we are currently in the process of upgrading those ICBMs as we speak. The WW2 era Minuteman types are being replaced by Sentinels. They are far deadlier even than their predecessors. Nobody wants to see these coming...which is the beauty of the deterrent via mutually assured destruction. In truth, most of the important targets will already be gone by the time the ICBMs get there. Our nuclear subs armed with the Trident nuclear missiles are always much closer to China and therefore would be first to strike. Shorter flight time when the subs lurk beneath the waves hundreds of miles away instead of thousands. The Tridents are really the tip of the spear (pun intended) when it comes to our nuclear strike abilities.

Heres some info about those new Sentinels we are installing up north:

Sentinel ICBM (LGM-35A)

www.afnwc.af.mil
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Everyone also forgets about our subs sitting in the Pacific right now that are locked and loaded.
 
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Orangeburst said:
We share Tridents with the Brits..not very reassuring..

www.twz.com

Royal Navy Trident Ballistic Missile Fails Test Launch For Second Time In A Row

The U.K. Ministry of Defense was forced to defend the reliability of its nuclear deterrent after the latest embarrassing missile test failure.
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Eh, they work when we fire em

www.navy.mil

USS Wyoming Successfully Tests Trident II D5LE Missiles

The U.S. Navy conducted a scheduled, two-missile test flight of unarmed life-extended Trident II (D5LE) missiles from USS Wyoming (SSBN-742), an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, on the Eastern
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Almost 200 test fires of the Trident. About 95% success rate.
 
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One cannot help but note the irony of the GOP sounding alarms over possible China attack on Taiwan in the future, but Russia attack ongoing is, meh, whatevs.
 
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