Christians, Jews in Holy Land alliance

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Christians, Jews in Holy Land alliance - CNN.com

A recent poll found that 59 percent of American evangelicals believe Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
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The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs estimates 85 million evangelicals believe God tells them to support Israel -- more than six times the world's Jewish population.
One of the most successful Jewish fundraisers, Rabbi

Yechiel Eckstein, raised $39 million last year from Christian Zionists to fund human services and humanitarian work in Israel and the settlements.

Christian Zionists often converge on Washington by the thousands to lobby members of Congress in support of Israel.

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Connecticut, was among the speakers at last month's convention of Christians United for Israel.
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Thoughts?
 
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Good, but unfortunately it's not the Christians versus the Jews. It's the Islamic Extremists vs. everyone.
 
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I do believe Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. I feel our nation has been blessed for supporting them and I hope we continue to do so.
 
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JZVOL said:
I do believe Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. I feel our nation has been blessed for supporting them and I hope we continue to do so.
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did said blessings start before the formation of modern Israel?
 
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All of Abraham's descendants were promised land in this area and were blessed. This includes who we consider the Arabs. Do we forsake one blessed group for another?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
did said blessings start before the formation of modern Israel?
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All I know is that we became the world power after WWII. We were instrumental in creating the nation of Israel right after WWII. That could be a coincidence, or our nation could have been blessed because of our support of the Jewish people.

I don't claim to be any type of scholar or historian, but I am a person of faith so I look at things from that point of view at times. I can also see how a person that doesn't share my views can explain this "coincidence" without using spiritual glasses.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
All of Abraham's descendants were promised land in this area and were blessed. This includes who we consider the Arabs. Do we forsake one blessed group for another?
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Yes, the Arabs came from his son Ishmael and the Jews from Isaac. That conflict will never go away, it is beyond human control. That being said I don't think we should forsake any group. However one group is trying to attack us, convert us and wipe away Wester Civ. while the other groups is not.
 
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JZVOL said:
I do believe Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. I feel our nation has been blessed for supporting them and I hope we continue to do so.
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I agree 100%. I believe this nation has been brought from colonists to superpower in 200 years to protect, back, ally with Israel.
 
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I always fail to see the difference in one extremist view over another.
 
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JZVOL said:
Yes, the Arabs came from his son Ishmael and the Jews from Isaac. That conflict will never go away, it is beyond human control. That being said I don't think we should forsake any group. However one group is trying to attack us, convert us and wipe away Wester Civ. while the other groups is not.
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You mean members of one group right? Well when one group holds a view that they are the chosen ones and do not proselytize while the others very actively proselytize you will see a difference.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
You mean members of one group right? Well when one group holds a view that they are the chosen ones and do not proselytize while the others very actively proselytize you will see a difference.
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I'm not 100% sure what you are saying but...

One group thinking they are the chosen ones doesn't just occur in religion. Nationality is also a huge factor too. Americans feel we are better than China and China feels they are better than us. "Mainfest destinys" can be found in every culture. Just another way for leaders to play on emotions of religion, to get what they want.

But like I said the Israeli conflict is not really applicable to normal situtations.
 
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The way I've always heard this is that a powerful group of Christians support Israel because it will hasten the Second Coming and that is the only reason they are partnering with the Jews. Supposedly, this group does not give a fig per se about Judaism. They just want to see the temple rebuilt.

I think most Christians support Israel because it seems to be the right thing to do what with the religious heritage, humanity issue, etc.

I just wanted to share the conspiracy theory I have heard kicked around.
 
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Plano Vol said:
The way I've always heard this is that a powerful group of Christians support Israel because it will hasten the Second Coming and that is the only reason they are partnering with the Jews. Supposedly, this group does not give a fig per se about Judaism. They just want to see the temple rebuilt.
I think most Christians support Israel because it seems to be the right thing to do what with the religious heritage, humanity issue, etc.

I just wanted to share the conspiracy theory I have heard kicked around.
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I don't think it is a conspiracy at all. I don't think it is the ONLY reason Christians support Jews though. The Jews want the temple rebuilt as do Christians.
 
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JZVOL said:
I don't think it is a conspiracy at all. I don't think it is the ONLY reason Christians support Jews though. The Jews want the temple rebuilt as do Christians.
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Yep, the difference is that this group of Christians want this to fulfill the prophecy of Armageddon and the Second Coming. This prophecy includes a point at which the Jewish nation must recognize Jesus as the Messiah or be thrown into the pit.

I don't think the Jews view the completion of temple as having that set of consequences.
 
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Plano Vol said:
Yep, the difference is that this group of Christians want this to fulfill the prophecy of Armageddon and the Second Coming. This prophecy includes a point at which the Jewish nation must recognize Jesus as the Messiah or be thrown into the pit.

I don't think the Jews view the completion of temple as having that set of consequences.
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:thumbsup: Judaism doesn't recognize Christ as the Messiah.
 
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You know what's the most messed up part of everything going on right now on the religious front, is the fact that we are building footbaths for Muslims but when a Christian speaks out for their faith they are creating hate speech. Amazing just how liberal this country is becoming right before my eyes.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You know what's the most messed up part of everything going on right now on the religious front, is the fact that we are building footbaths for Muslims but when a Christian speaks out for their faith they are creating hate speech. Amazing just how liberal this country is becoming right before my eyes.
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What does Islam have to do with 'liberal'?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
What does Islam have to do with 'liberal'?
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Asolutely nothing, IMHO. He's referencing the UofMichigan's building of footbaths on campus, if I am correct.

I just see that comment as a right wing conservative with a closed mind about world religions, only thinking that HIS views on religion are correct. But that's how I see it.
 
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VOLatile said:
Asolutely nothing, IMHO. He's referencing the UofMichigan's building of footbaths on campus, if I am correct.

I just see that comment as a right wing conservative with a closed mind about world religions, only thinking that HIS views on religion are correct. But that's how I see it.
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That's a lot of assuming.
 
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utvolpj said:
I always fail to see the difference in one extremist view over another.
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How is being a Christian or Muslim extremist? I don't think you meant being Jewish is extremist for obvious reasons. There are plenty of extremists that aren't religious in nature.
 
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JZVOL said:
How is being a Christian or Muslim extremist? I don't think you meant being Jewish is extremist for obvious reasons. There are plenty of extremists that aren't religious in nature.
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I view a literal interpretation of scripture as extremist. Doesn't really matter who does it since they all sound the same. Promised land, judgment day, infidels, etc. are all different words for saying the same thing.

It's controversial in part because in the judgment day scenario embraced by some evangelicals, Jews who don't convert to Christianity burn in hell.
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Seriously?
 
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utvolpj said:
I view a literal interpretation of scripture as extremist. Doesn't really matter who does it since they all sound the same. Promised land, judgment day, infidels, etc. are all different words for saying the same thing.

Do you view literal interpretations of every reading as extremist? If no, why do you just apply that to religious texts?

I literally believe the Bible and so does my church. I would hardly call us extremists.

Totally inaccurate.

Seriously?
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The great thing is you have a choice to believe the Bible or to reject it. I choose to believe it, you don't thave to. Because I have chosen to believe doesn't make me closed minded just choosing not to believe it doesn't make someone closed minded.
 
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Sorry I messed up that post. Hopefully you can tell what I responded with.
 
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I understood :eek:k:

I believe that reading a book (written by man) and believing every word, without question, is not the best way to live one's life. My opinion, nothing else. I also believe that doing so with religious texts can be the most damaging of all. Everyone is so sure their book and their God is right. Why is that? I just find the whole thing laughable.

EDIT: I don't fully reject the bible, I just reject some of its claims.
 
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