Christie vetos same sex marrige bill

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volinbham said:
It's not about civil rights - it's social engineering with an underlying motivation. I'm not claiming the motivation is correct or not past it's time but that's what it is.

Put another way, just because some group gets special priviledges from the government doesn't make that a civil rights issue. If it did, the government could never single out specific groups for benefits without violating the EPC.
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You nailed it with these two paragraphs.
 
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met with Christie's business development team yesterday. Homeboy is as pro business as anyone I've ever heard of.
 
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I really wish this guy would run. His "just shut up and write a book or something" comment on Warren Buffet yesterday was perfect. Every time he speaks I find myself wanting to start a slow clap.
 
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nbakerld said:
As much as Ron Paul? Is he willing to take corporate income tax down to 0%?
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He is willing to push what he can get done. I can tell you 100%for sure that he is for anything the government can do to help businesses create jobs. His team is as aggressive as humanly possible in trying to get companies into NJ and moving forward. Paul's libertarian view wouldn't agree with Christie's push.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Paul's libertarian view wouldn't need Christie's push.
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Sure it would. The likelihood of passing a total elimination of corporate income taxes is exactly 0. Reducing them, in the near term, is close to the same, even though it's the best policy.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Sure it would. The likelihood of passing a total elimination of corporate income taxes is exactly 0. Reducing them, in the near term, is close to the same, even though it's the best policy.
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You completely missed the point. If a libertarian view was adopted, (and by that I mean a more laissez-faire system with limited government regulation to make sure everyone is playing fair) then there would be no need for a governor to try make his state more "business friendly".

I get that we are unlikely to see these views adopted in the near term.

For what its worth, I am a big Christie fan and support him trying to make his state more "business friendly" given the system constraints in which he must govern.
 
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I agree that Paul is unlikely to get 0% income tax, but that doesn't mean he'd quit trying as if it's all or nothing. He'd get it lowered as much as possible.

The problem with Christie's policy is what I saw with Amazon moving to Texas. Texas offered Amazon tax breaks and deals nobody else gets, thus giving them an unfair advantage. **** the small time retailers, Amazon is big enough to be in good with government.

It's a case of the seen vs the unseen. We can see the jobs that the policy creates, but we don't see the negative impact on competitors. Not to mention with Amazon's advantage they can now afford to be less innovative in light of their newly found competitive advantage.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You completely missed the point. If a libertarian view was adopted, (and by that I mean a more laissez-faire system with limited government regulation to make sure everyone is playing fair) then there would be no need for a governor to try make his state more "business friendly".

I get that we are unlikely to see these views adopted in the near term.

For what its worth, I am a big Christie fan and support him trying to make his state more "business friendly" given the system constraints in which he must govern.
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I didn't miss the point in the least. Proferring no chance in hell viewpoints is just idealistic idiocy, on the order of Obama's approach to economics.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I didn't miss the point in the least. Proferring no chance in hell viewpoints is just idealistic idiocy, on the order of Obama's approach to economics.
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You say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

Back to your original statement, given that we agree economically, how exactly does Paul's libertarian view not agree with Christie's push?
 
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Let's take an issue like infrastructure - a Christie approach could be using state govt funds to build an office park or workforce training program that makes NJ a more attractive spot in addition to reduction of restrictions.

A Paul approach would not use state government funds that way. (Assuming we are arguing Paul as governor pursuing his libertarian stance).

There's a difference between being pro-Business and just pro-individualism.
 
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Interesting stat brought up in this video:

71% of white democrats support gay marriage while only 41% of black democrats support it. Is this simply due to a disparity in number of Christians in each demographic? What is the explanation?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3vvdu2L7Y4&feature=plcp&context=C3f6653eUDOEgsToPDskKHiNIOsNz5AosduXCC5bFi[/youtube]
 
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volinbham said:
Let's take an issue like infrastructure - a Christie approach could be using state govt funds to build an office park or workforce training program that makes NJ a more attractive spot in addition to reduction of restrictions.

A Paul approach would not use state government funds that way. (Assuming we are arguing Paul as governor pursuing his libertarian stance).

There's a difference between being pro-Business and just pro-individualism.
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Right. However, more laissez-faire system with limited government regulation would reduce the need for such interference. The problem with interference, direct interference, is that it picks the winners and losers. Indirect interference like investing in infrastructure befit everyone equally. I am all for indirect pro-business initiatives.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Right. However, more laissez-faire system with limited government regulation would reduce the need for such interference. The problem with interference, direct interference, is that it picks the winners and losers. Indirect interference like investing in infrastructure befit everyone equally. I am all for indirect pro-business initiatives.
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Just pointing out how Christie and Paul could be different. Doubt Paul would be building workforce training programs or office park infrastructure
 
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volinbham said:
Just pointing out how Christie and Paul could be different. Doubt Paul would be building workforce training programs or office park infrastructure
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No problem with such polices if they are indirect and frugal. I think if such training programs were for the unemployed or underemployed, he would support government funds for such projects over straight up welfare checks.
 
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nbakerld said:
Interesting stat brought up in this video:

71% of white democrats support gay marriage while only 41% of black democrats support it. Is this simply due to a disparity in number of Christians in each demographic? What is the explanation?
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Places like largely black neighborhoods and the suburbs of Minneapolis and Kansas City that are dotted with giant churches tend to have the same social views towards homosexuality.
 
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#120
This is so simple only the pudge fackers and socialists fail at it.

God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Next question please.:hi:
 
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Pro-business is not a good thing.

Pro-free-market is a good thing.

And they aren't the same thing.

The government cannot know what training is needed. What companies are hiring today is not what they are hiring next year. They can't know if money is better taken from individuals and businesses to spend it on parking lots is a better use of the money. If having a parking lot was a better use, then some company would build it and turn a profit from it. The goods and services that the money would be spent on by private entities actually allocates that money towards the most productive parts of the economy. Government allocation is inefficient, misdirected, not responsive to market conditions, based on political influence and is always the result of money being forcibly taken from those who earned it.
 
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